Metal vs Fiber End Disks Video

[PolarisX]

Found this video from FRAM. I've always avoided anything with a "fiber end disk". How much of this do you think is PR fluff, and how much is true?

Fram Fiber vs Metal End Disk

What else did you think of the video?

Sorry if this has been posted here before, but I didn't see it.

 

[RudeRED]

Makes sense, especially seeing the other brands different endcap sealing methods.
I always buy Fram Orange cans and have for 27 years. Never an engine problem.

 

[PolarisX]

Interesting, how long are your OCIs?

 

[abycat]

I'm a big fram fan as well. I usually only run frams on all my vehicles.

 

[Kuato]

Pretty informative video, thanks!

 

[spackard]

Soundtrack is Heavy Metal and Cat Late For Dinner.

 

[goodtimes]

I think it's all true except the conflict between saying they need metal end caps to capture the Ultra media, and that they use non metal, non capture end caps on the Ultra cartridges. They even show the end of Ultra media saying this is why it needs metal end caps.
I wonder who makes the Bentley oil filter, and I think they did some searching through samples or tweaking to show the Toyota pleats to look more uneven than any I have seen.

 

[AirgunSavant]

Good video.
The anal among us change their oil so often that most could use a solo cup as an oil filter so its not
really as huge of a deal anyway. Next we will see the hole versus the louver video

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
I think it's all true except the conflict between saying they need metal end caps to capture the Ultra media, and that they use non metal, non capture end caps on the Ultra cartridges. They even show the end of Ultra media saying this is why it needs metal end caps.


But the end caps on the Ultra cartridge filters are hard plastic that the wire backed full synthetic media can be potted in, not flexible fiber like on the EG or TG. They could probably also use hard plastic end caps on the Ultra spin-on filters too, but don't for some reason.

 

[WellOiled]

Cool video. I believe Fram is factual. The end disks are there to seal the media and cause the oil to flow through the media. Fram uses most of the end disk designs and chooses one needed for filter design. It makes good sense.

Thanks for posting the video.

 

[PolarisX]

Originally Posted By: WellOiled
Cool video. I believe Fram is factual. The end disks are there to seal the media and cause the oil to flow through the media. Fram uses most of the end disk designs and chooses one needed for filter design. It makes good sense.

Thanks for posting the video.


No problem, its making good discussion. After lurking here in years it seems this forum needed some.

Don't worry, no posts about Group III oils from me.

 

[edwardh1]

where is a list of what oils are in what group?

 

[PolarisX]

It varies from brand, to make, to even weight.

Sometimes its not known 100% either.

 

[tig1]

Only goes to show that the oil you use is far more important than the filter you use.

 

[PolarisX]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Only goes to show that the oil you use is far more important than the filter you use.


I'd mostly agree. As long as you don't experience a failure of the filter itself obviously. Oil doesn't blow out, have media tearing issues, or ADBV failures. I don't wonder if my jug of Mobil 1 has a bad mix of additives in it this time.

Just playing Devil's Advocate.

 

[badtlc]

From all the cut and pastes on this board, it is quite easy to see that fiber endcaps are great. Sure, metal seems like the sure winner intuitively but the fiber end caps DO work as advertised. I don't know the last time we have seen issues with fiber caps on here.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: PolarisX
Originally Posted By: tig1
Only goes to show that the oil you use is far more important than the filter you use.


I'd mostly agree. As long as you don't experience a failure of the filter itself obviously. Oil doesn't blow out, have media tearing issues, or ADBV failures. I don't wonder if my jug of Mobil 1 has a bad mix of additives in it this time.

Just playing Devil's Advocate.


What ever.

 

[WankelRotorHead]

The Toyota design doesn't seem to seal the ends completely, I've always wondered about this design and if it actually provides full sealing. Then again Toyota engines are known for their longevity and their filters for their Flow over Filtration media so maybe they don't care.

Am I going full retard here?

 

[PolarisX]

I wish I could see the top of the media and what it seals against on the ADBV.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: BikeWhisperer
The Toyota design doesn't seem to seal the ends completely, I've always wondered about this design and if it actually provides full sealing. Then again Toyota engines are known for their longevity and their filters for their Flow over Filtration media so maybe they don't care.

Am I going full retard here?

I use to run those filters on my Tacoma, and cut open a few. Each pleat is glued at the ends to make the seal. Of course, that means many pleats ends to ensure the glue is 100% bonded and sealed, so IMO there is more chance of getting a bad glue job and a leak path compared to one end cap that is bonded/sealed to the pleats.