mercruser oil filter study

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Yes, that is one thing that is made clear in this VERY informative study. Another thing made clear is that the Hastings and K&N filters accomplish this high flow buy being the worst at what they are supposed to do and that is FILTER OIL. Why would anyone pay a premium price for some of the worst filters on the market? High flow is nothing more than a marketing pitch unless used for short run racing. They should not in my opinion be used for any purpose other than racing applications.

Any other opinions on this?

Have a look at page two of the study: http://home.earthlink.net/~memphis3/mercfilters/merc2.htm

Then have a look at the graph here keeping in mind what other filters in the mercfilter study are capable of: http://oilguard.com/side_menu/bypass_filtration/extend_engine.php
 
There will soon be some new filters added to the study!!!
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gearhead,

Good to hear of an upcoming update to the study. Are you involved with it in any way? It is buy far the most informative filter study I have seen.
 
The second chart on pg 2 of the study is the tell all for the flow/filtering of the MEDIA. Then element size comes into play for the overall numbers. Theoretically, the best filter would have small pores and a huge element. What an excellent study, by far the best I've seen!
By the way, I wonder why the Baldwin and Hastings had different elements?

Steve

[ May 04, 2004, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: 69 Riv GS ]
 
I have been saying for years that Baldwin and Hastings are NOT the same media. Far be it for someone to actually read what a Amsoil pitchman has to say.

I definitely subscribe to the more flow through the filter is better theory....and that a full flow filter is a "safety" device to catch big "chunks" - NOT a screen to catch wear metals.
 
I like the micron data on that chart ..but the tests are still flawed in duplicating the effects in an engine. A MUCH better indicator is pressure drop at a FLOW standard. This, like Bob's test, appears to use a standard pressure ...which, if you see like pressure on any engine, is independant of the filter media (total system downstream restrictions and pump output dictate this). You will see a standard "starting cycle" where the oil pump will typically pump a given volume of oil. That volume of oil will be pumped regardless of what you have for a filter.

There's also the factor of "impedence" to flow at such low temps. My Amsoil bypass, in parallel with my ff (no restrictor valve) has virtually NO FLOW at start up ....but flows more freely at operating temp. What the heck does this show, you ask? Well let's for a moment suggest that all the flow differentials that we see on the study may or may not have a lot less "difference" at a higher "operational" temp. We don't know. Expand this to cover bypass valves and all the other stuff. That is, although a healthy media shows LOW flow AT a given pressure AT a given (LOW) termperature when compared to another ...that difference my be negligable at operating temperature (downstream restrictions take precendence).

If I would do this test (had the means) I would manage a fixed pump output (rpm and therefore gpm) and then use whatever fluid necessary to flow freely at the temperature that I would have it at that would simulate operating temperature (some light weight oil that has a 70 degree SUS that would be typical of ANY motor oil @ 212 degrees).

Does anyone else see the validity of this methodology in filter testing? That is, for a moment pretend to try and assist me in sucessfully showing how this type of test is superior and NOT just knocking down some of my "slightly less then perfect" givens (in otherwords the point not the content).

[ May 04, 2004, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]
 
I've said that all along, flow and temperature. The PureOne's were showing a not so great of flow, but that was at ROOM temperature. When the oil gets to operational temperature, I'd be willing to bet that it would be flowing like a banshee. Don't get me wrong, it was a good test and made me think about filter flow like I had never thought before.
 
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Originally posted by leanintoit:
Yes, that is one thing that is made clear in this VERY informative study. Another thing made clear is that the Hastings and K&N filters accomplish this high flow buy being the worst at what they are supposed to do and that is FILTER OIL. Why would anyone pay a premium price for some of the worst filters on the market? High flow is nothing more than a marketing pitch unless used for short run racing.

I beg to differ. I've been using K&N oil filters on both my wife's car and my car, and both of them show low wear numbers in oil analysis, which proves the theory held by many respected members on this site that high flow is much more critical than super fine filtration.

Especially when you drive your car hard a lot, you are much better off having a filter which provides virtually unrestricted flow of your oil, as opposed to one which tries to filter super small particles but yet starves your engine of oil slightly. I think that it's a lot of hype when these filter makers claim that 10 micron particles cause a lot of engine wear, especially since many of us have proven that wrong through the UOAs they've posted here. It is different for each engine, but I believe with the two engines I own (Honda Civic 1.6L and GM LT1 350) that you can have a lot of 1-20 micron particles floating in the oil that simply pass through the engine without causing any wear. It's the bigger stuff that causes the wear, and K&N filters will trap most of the particles bigger than 20 microns. That is all you truly need to get a decently long engine life, IMHO.
 
I agree that the oil flow test would be interesting to see at 210 degrees, but I think that if a filter shows an advantage in flow at 70 degrees, it will still have the advantage at 210 degrees. The 70 degree test is very informative though, as we need to remember that oil filters that don't flow well at low temps will be in bypass mode much longer, and the oil will not be filtered at all. And since many people think that most wear occurs before the engine comes up to normal operating temp.............the cold flow of a filter, may be even more critical than warm flow.
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I agree that the oil flow test would be interesting to see at 210 degrees, but I think that if a filter shows an advantage in flow at 70 degrees, it will still have the advantage at 210 degrees.

Well, you don't have to heat the fluid to 210 degress ..you only need a fluid that simulates "an oil" @ 210 ..it could be straight 10 weight or some ISO turbine oil. Whatever makes a practical demonstration of flow at temp.


The filter's reaction to cold temp oil is not necessarily linear or proportional. A high filtration filter may have the identical agrigate "hole" as a high flow filter (if you put all the 'holes' together) ..but will impede oil more at at a high viscosity ..while at 210 (or a fluid that simulates a 30 or 40 weight @ 210) will pass through both equally well.

For example a bypass filter in parallel with a full flow. There is virtually no flow through the bypass at start up. So the full flow is going to have more of its share of the oil flow during that time. After warm up ..the bypass filter will flow more ..decreasing the amount through the full flow.

That is, although the flows ARE proportional ..they are also "reactive" depending on the viscosity. I'm only using a bypass and a full flow for demonstration purposes. Both will pass clear water equally well. Neither will pass straight STP Oil Treatment at all.
 
GA, The flow rates might not be linear between 70 degree oil and 210 degree oil........but I suspect that they are somewhat linear. It is hard to create an economical lab test to fully reproduce all the variables occuring in an engine thoughout its operation. 210 degree heat may have an effect on the media itself, that simply using a 10cst oil would not reflect.
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I think that this test is wonderful though........and gives us the best information that we currently have at our disposal, to draw conclusions from....and attempt to properly select a filter for our applications.
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[ May 11, 2004, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: sbc350gearhead ]
 
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