Media Is Lying About Chinese EVs—And Here's the Proof

[Vercingetorix]

Italy is not a big market for them at the moment. Once the BYD plant in Szeged, Hungary is up producing within the next few months or so then the ones in Spain and Turkey that should be enough to drive Tesla out of Europe completely.

https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/

That also includes Germany and the Czech Republic on other trips. I look for electric cars. I see more VW brand electrics. Lots of Audi electrics. 10 to 1 vws vs every other manufacturer at least. My goal is to find Dacia Sanderos for those in the know.

 

[pbm]

I would never buy an EV but buying anything Elon Musk has to do with is poison I wouldn't touch one if someone else paid for it.

Why?

 

[pbm]

Didn't China recently pass a new law requiring companies to disclose passwords to sensitive tech to the CCP on demand?
We also saw the USA stop the sale of Chinese Routers (I believe) in the USA.
There is a Cold War of sorts brewing between the USA and China.

China will not permit USA entities to have administrative offices in their Universities, yet they have them here. They will not permit free access to their media to spread Western ideology, yet Chinese media dominates in the USA. China probably has more distribution middle men and warewhouses in America now than Americans do. Western government has done a very poor job of protecting Western interests imo. There's a big difference between having a free market where freedom exists on BOTH sides vs what we have which is a free market open to China but not open to the USA.

Well said. Too many American and multi-national companies are making big $$$ selling China COO products....some made by slave labor. You would think there would be protests on American university campuses about it but even the universities are often beholden to China.

 

[MaximumMini]

Why?

It seems some are more concerned about their ideology (flawed or otherwise) than the reality. I would wager that the same ppl saying Elon Musk is "poison" are also climate activists but can not see beyond their foolishness in that Mr. Musk is a certified ecological friend and is the ONLY man on Earth who doesn't dump Hydrazine and who knows what else into the Oceans.
It seems like pure madness to me.

Anyone who is concerned about the environment should embrace Elon Musk.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Well said. Too many American and multi-national companies are making big $$$ selling China COO products....some made by slave labor. You would think there would be protests on American university campuses about it but even the universities are often beholden to China.

People vote with their pocketbook, right?

 

[MaximumMini]

People vote with their pocketbook, right?

Usually.....
but many times there is no choice
The factory CEO's decide to cut cost to make more for themselves and the board. So they move production to China.
That wasn't necessarily a consumer choice.....at first.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Usually.....
but many times there is no choice
The factory CEO's decide to cut cost to make more for themselves and the board. So they move production to China.
That wasn't necessarily a consumer choice.....at first.

Yep, it's all about the bottom line, and all too often it's the short term bottom line. Thanks CEO Welch and Advanced Business Degrees...
If I have a choice, I try and do what I consider to be the right thing. I no longer buy Milwaukee tools after I learned their origin. Thanks @Trav; I didn't know!
I bought the 1st Tesla in 2018 as they were made right up the road in the shuttered NUMMI plant, because of the local workforce opportunities and the high American content.

I voted with my pocketbook.

Regarding Jack Welch, I think his outsourcing methodology may have been taken to and extreme by American CEOs. not sure. It can be an interesting debate. But it did seem to enrich a small group at the expense of others. Progress... Winners and losers...

 

[fdcg27]

Yep, it's all about the bottom line, and all too often it's the short term bottom line. Thanks CEO Welch and Advanced Business Degrees...
If I have a choice, I try and do what I consider to be the right thing. I no longer buy Milwaukee tools after I learned their origin. Thanks @Trav; I didn't know!
I bought the 1st Tesla in 2018 as they were made right up the road in the shuttered NUMMI plant, because of the local workforce opportunities and the high American content.

I voted with my pocketbook.

Regarding Jack Welch, I think his outsourcing methodology may have been taken to and extreme by American CEOs. not sure. It can be an interesting debate. But it did seem to enrich a small group at the expense of others. Progress... Winners and losers...

Jack Welch did a lot wrong aside from outsourcing.
His tenure did permanent damage to GE and his many adherents spread his false gospel across American business yielding lasting damage to much of our economy.
A pity how easily we accept the dicta of false prophets.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Jack Welch did a lot wrong aside from outsourcing.
His tenure did permanent damage to GE and his many adherents spread his false gospel across American business yielding lasting damage to much of our economy.
A pity how easily we accept the dicta of false prophets.

That's your opinion and it has merit, at least in hindsight. But there's a lot more to it than that, like business school MBA degrees and chasing profit at any cost.

One man's meat is another man's poison, or something like that.

 

[fdcg27]

That's your opinion and it has merit, at least in hindsight. But there's a lot more to it than that, like business school MBA degrees and chasing profit at any cost.

One man's meat is another man's poison, or something like that.

Not only my opinion but one that's widely held.
MBAs may have followed the lead but they didn't invent it.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Not only my opinion but one that's widely held.
MBAs may have followed the lead but they didn't invent it.

When Neutron Jack assumed the helm, GE was drowning in debt. After his aggressive deals, chopping, outsourcing, etc. GE became the most valuable company in the stock market.
After his tenure, GM was far down the market ladder and chopped into pieces.

Was this Capitalism at its finest or the ruination of it? We sure seem to admire brutality like this. Welcome to today.

 

[jghall00]

Not only my opinion but one that's widely held.
MBAs may have followed the lead but they didn't invent it.

Cutting costs has been a thing for a long time. It's just that it took time for China to industrialize and become viable as a cheap manufacturing hub.

 

[fdcg27]

When Neutron Jack assumed the helm, GE was drowning in debt. After his aggressive deals, chopping, outsourcing, etc. GE became the most valuable company in the stock market.
After his tenure, GM was far down the market ladder and chopped into pieces.

Was this Capitalism at its finest or the ruination of it? We sure seem to admire brutality like this. Welcome to today.

More like welcome to the jungle in which right is wrong and good management is wrong as well.

 

[JeffKeryk]

More like welcome to the jungle in which right is wrong and good management is wrong as well.

Again, that's your opinion. Capitalism is often viewed, to a large point, about winners and losers. Which side of the deal are you on?
Profits are a main driver of Capitalism.

 

[fdcg27]

Again, that's your opinion. Capitalism is often viewed, to a large point, about winners and losers. Which side of the deal are you on?
Profits are a main driver of Capitalism.

Not my opinion, rather objective fact.
Welch left GE in a complete mess from which it's only recently recovered after extensive restructuring,

 

[Number_35]

I'd be more concerned about the "little things" that go into building cars that BYD can't have much experience with. Proper rustproofing. Access to fasteners and repairability. Getting body work or glass done well and within a budget. Would be great if they licensed what they're good at to an established automaker.

Does anyone remember the Hyundai Pony? They only sold them in Canada and they rusted to bits. Hyundai learned from them, though, and the fwd Excel earned it $4995 msrp. I see BYD at about this stage of evolution.

I knew several Hyundai Pony owners.

I don't think the Ponys (Ponies?) were bad cars - they were simple by mid-'80s standards (RWD, usually MT, and I think crank windows and no A/C) and were only offered in the one body style (4-door hatch) but quite reliable, and seemed no more rust prone than various other cars of the day. They may have still had ignition breaker points.

They seemed to be well-built, something like the Japanese cars of a decade earlier.