From my understanding both oils are made by the same company, just in different bottles. Is it possible for a blend to go possibly 10K? I know i should do a used oil analysis to verify. I plan on going to six month or 15% olm. Thanks.
MC 5W20 vs Honda blend 5W20
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in a Honda, you can probably run golden state straight 30 for 10,000 miles and get good UOA results.
I think 10k might be stretching it a bit for motor craft or honda syn blend but in easy driving, I think it would do alright, especially if you hold more than 5qts. The new fords seem to have at 6qt sumps which would do a longer drain a little easier. The new 5.0 has 8qts!
Id do a used oil analysis at 7.5k and see how its holding up and go from there.
Id do a used oil analysis at 7.5k and see how its holding up and go from there.
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I plan on using MC 5W-20 in my 2012 Hyundai Veloster 1.6. That engine's sump only requires 3.5 quarts...the OM recommends 7,500 OCIs for normal service.
Incidentally, the OM recommends Quaker State oil, but doesn't specify conventional vis-a-vis synthetic.
Incidentally, the OM recommends Quaker State oil, but doesn't specify conventional vis-a-vis synthetic.
MC 5w20 is excellent in Honda engines. I would not pay a penny more for Honda Genuine, it is not worth it. Ford engines are harder on oil generally (I am talking about the trucks and such) and they seem to do well. I have it in my Civic right now and it is running great and I will have a used oil analysis done early December but I have a feeling it will be a great used oil analysis.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
MC 5w20 is excellent in Honda engines. I would not pay a penny more for Honda Genuine, it is not worth it. Ford engines are harder on oil generally (I am talking about the trucks and such) and they seem to do well. I have it in my Civic right now and it is running great and I will have a used oil analysis done early December but I have a feeling it will be a great used oil analysis.
How many miles do you expect to get out of this interval? My other concern is how clean the engine would be.
MC 5w20 is excellent in Honda engines. I would not pay a penny more for Honda Genuine, it is not worth it. Ford engines are harder on oil generally (I am talking about the trucks and such) and they seem to do well. I have it in my Civic right now and it is running great and I will have a used oil analysis done early December but I have a feeling it will be a great used oil analysis.
How many miles do you expect to get out of this interval? My other concern is how clean the engine would be.
OCI depends on both the oil and the driving pattern. The 2011 Ford 2.5L is capable of at least 10,000 mile OCIs on Motorcraft 5W20 SynBlend if the driving conditions are right. Minimum 20 mile trips in temperate weather will result in 10,000 mile OCIs.
OTOH, really short trips (1-3 miles) in cold weather will shorten the OCI considerably. The best way to determine what your OCI with a given oil should be is to do used oil analysis with TBN.
OTOH, really short trips (1-3 miles) in cold weather will shorten the OCI considerably. The best way to determine what your OCI with a given oil should be is to do used oil analysis with TBN.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
From my understanding both oils are made by the same company, just in different bottles. Is it possible for a blend to go possibly 10K? I know i should do a used oil analysis to verify. I plan on going to six month or 15% olm. Thanks.
You are correct in your understanding with regard to MC 5W-20 and "Genuine Honda" 5W-20. And, yes, it is possible to go 10k miles with either using the MM. That said, if you follow the posts on most Honda boards, you'll see it's not uncommon for Honda owners to pay lip service to the MM -- meaning owners know what's possible -- but they change their oil and filters more frequently anyhow. Oil habits die hard. Now that Honda has a MM, the happy compromise for some owners is changing the oil at 50%, not resetting the MM, and then changing the oil again at >10%. In this regard, if you are familiar with Honda's maintenance regimen, you know it calls for an oil filter change every second oil change. This, too, drives some people nuts. FWIW, I trust the recommendations of world's largest engine manufacturer. They have served me well for decades.
One other comment. I read a lot of Honda boards, and I rarely see a complaint about oil consumption (much less excessive oil consumption) involving a Honda engine. Half a dozen a year, tops, and the reasons for the complaints are usually self-evident when you scratch below the surface. The cars aren't perfect, of course. None are. But the k-series engine in particular is one of the most reliable, trouble-free engines known to mankind -- a fact confirmed by years of used oil analysis posted here and elsewhere. Enjoy yours.
From my understanding both oils are made by the same company, just in different bottles. Is it possible for a blend to go possibly 10K? I know i should do a used oil analysis to verify. I plan on going to six month or 15% olm. Thanks.
You are correct in your understanding with regard to MC 5W-20 and "Genuine Honda" 5W-20. And, yes, it is possible to go 10k miles with either using the MM. That said, if you follow the posts on most Honda boards, you'll see it's not uncommon for Honda owners to pay lip service to the MM -- meaning owners know what's possible -- but they change their oil and filters more frequently anyhow. Oil habits die hard. Now that Honda has a MM, the happy compromise for some owners is changing the oil at 50%, not resetting the MM, and then changing the oil again at >10%. In this regard, if you are familiar with Honda's maintenance regimen, you know it calls for an oil filter change every second oil change. This, too, drives some people nuts. FWIW, I trust the recommendations of world's largest engine manufacturer. They have served me well for decades.
One other comment. I read a lot of Honda boards, and I rarely see a complaint about oil consumption (much less excessive oil consumption) involving a Honda engine. Half a dozen a year, tops, and the reasons for the complaints are usually self-evident when you scratch below the surface. The cars aren't perfect, of course. None are. But the k-series engine in particular is one of the most reliable, trouble-free engines known to mankind -- a fact confirmed by years of used oil analysis posted here and elsewhere. Enjoy yours.
Amsoil looks pretty promising. The price isn't too bad either with preferred customer discount.
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Oil habits die hard. Now that Honda has a MM, the happy compromise for some owners is changing the oil at 50%, not resetting the MM, and then changing the oil again at >10%. [/quote]
Or, in the alternative, swap out the oil (via drainplug: they still do have drainplugs, don't they?) at 50% and change the both the filter and the oil at 95%, or so.
Motor should only last 3-4 hundred K miles, or so...
Cheers!
Oil habits die hard. Now that Honda has a MM, the happy compromise for some owners is changing the oil at 50%, not resetting the MM, and then changing the oil again at >10%. [/quote]
Or, in the alternative, swap out the oil (via drainplug: they still do have drainplugs, don't they?) at 50% and change the both the filter and the oil at 95%, or so.
Motor should only last 3-4 hundred K miles, or so...
Cheers!
Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
OCI depends on both the oil and the driving pattern. The 2011 Ford 2.5L is capable of at least 10,000 mile OCIs on Motorcraft 5W20 SynBlend if the driving conditions are right. Minimum 20 mile trips in temperate weather will result in 10,000 mile OCIs.
OTOH, really short trips (1-3 miles) in cold weather will shorten the OCI considerably. The best way to determine what your OCI with a given oil should be is to do used oil analysis with TBN.
My 2011 5.0 usually runs on a 16,000 mile pace (19.0 mpg average) when I had a 2.6 mile commute and 23,000 mile pace (27 mpg average) with a 15 mile commute until just before the 10,000 mile limit (When it plummets). Of course thats with a 8.0 Quart Capacity.
Motorcraft is built very similar both in basestock percentages and add package but has a higher TBN (8.8) than the AC Delco Dexos 1 Blend for extended drains so I think its up to it.
I use a little formula to guesstimate OCI.
Capacity x TBN X MPG x 10
Assuming your Honda holds 4 Quarts and Averages 32.0 mpg:
4 x 8.8 x 32 x 10 = 11,264 miles.
I usually reduce that by 30% and run a used oil analysis to confirm before increasing it to the maximum.
OCI depends on both the oil and the driving pattern. The 2011 Ford 2.5L is capable of at least 10,000 mile OCIs on Motorcraft 5W20 SynBlend if the driving conditions are right. Minimum 20 mile trips in temperate weather will result in 10,000 mile OCIs.
OTOH, really short trips (1-3 miles) in cold weather will shorten the OCI considerably. The best way to determine what your OCI with a given oil should be is to do used oil analysis with TBN.
My 2011 5.0 usually runs on a 16,000 mile pace (19.0 mpg average) when I had a 2.6 mile commute and 23,000 mile pace (27 mpg average) with a 15 mile commute until just before the 10,000 mile limit (When it plummets). Of course thats with a 8.0 Quart Capacity.
Motorcraft is built very similar both in basestock percentages and add package but has a higher TBN (8.8) than the AC Delco Dexos 1 Blend for extended drains so I think its up to it.
I use a little formula to guesstimate OCI.
Capacity x TBN X MPG x 10
Assuming your Honda holds 4 Quarts and Averages 32.0 mpg:
4 x 8.8 x 32 x 10 = 11,264 miles.
I usually reduce that by 30% and run a used oil analysis to confirm before increasing it to the maximum.
Hi Gene,
How did you come up with that formula? It gives a result for me that is remarkably close to the IOLM on my 2011 Fusion.
How did you come up with that formula? It gives a result for me that is remarkably close to the IOLM on my 2011 Fusion.
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Here's another Honda datapoint: 2010 Pilot AWD. After letting the dealer change the oil (in for warranty work anyway), I let the oil go until the MM began showing codes, then did a change with Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 in May. Not sure of the mileage offhand but it was close to 10K. Right after the change, the dipstick oil was showing a little turbidity/suspended dirt, rather than the nice perfectly clean oil I'm used to after a change. After a summer family trip to the Rockies, I dumped the oil at 40% on the MM and put in MC 5-20, no filter. I'm still at 30% on the MM but I feel alot better knowing I've got clean oil in there after flogging the car across the plains and up and down the mountains, loaded to the gills with people and gear. Winter is coming and I doubt the MM will call for a change before February or March. I like to let the MM get down to where it shows the codes, because otherwise you miss the secondary codes. I missed the diff fluid change code that way. I don't think I'd have had a problem if I'd waited for the MM, but for the price of 4 qts of MC oil, it's worth the peace of mind for a little added protection on an expensive car. The fact is, I don't really trust the MM. Old habits do die hard and the MM takes me closer to the limit of what the oil will do than I feel comfortable with.Oil changes are cheap enough to not have to push the oil to 10/10ths. Dave
Oil is cheap stop extending your oil changes that far 6-7K MAX
mc all the way. it's cheaper, isn't it?
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