Massey Ferguson gc1723e front axle fluid/oil

[Kevk]

Manual calls for permatran 821 for front axle as well as hydraulic system.
Would it be better to use gear oil in front axle? Or is it possibly because of maybe yellow metals in there? GL4 instead of GL5 maybe?
Thanks for any information

 

[JavierH19]

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Thread 'Permatran 821 xl alternative'

Feb 25, 2023

Looking at alternatives to Permatran 821xl for my Massey Ferguson 1742 tractor, i see an oil that "meets Massey Ferguson M1143,M1145". I have searched but cant seem to find what these specs are. Could someone point me in right direction to look up these specs please?

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It's been discussed before so there's good info here. Doesn't seem to be anything that special really.

Gl4 75/80w-90 is about the same viscosity as a 40 grade oil and yellow metal safe which the front diff could have as I don't know. Don't imagine though. Though plenty of diffs, hydraulic systems, and transmissions have called for plain motor oil in the past.

Seems to be a 15w-40 or 10w-30 in viscosity.
https://parts.agcocorp.com/ca/en/p/permatran-821xl-plus-extended-life-2-5-gallon/79035449

 

[greaseguy15]

I believe you can use most tractor hydraulic fluids in this application. Looks to be a pretty general spec.

 

[JTK]

Manual calls for permatran 821 for front axle as well as hydraulic system.
Would it be better to use gear oil in front axle? Or is it possibly because of maybe yellow metals in there? GL4 instead of GL5 maybe?
Thanks for any information

Those MF GC1723E's are nice machines. I looked at some MF sub compacts before I bought my TYM T224. My T224 has very generic fluid recommendations, which is kind of nice. I'll probably stick with an 80w90 or 75w80 in the front axle on mine. It has what smells like gear oil in there now. I plan on using universal tractor fluid that is compatible with wet clutches for the drive system / hydraulic system.

 

[crashz]

Its been theorized that the lower seals in the front axles are more prone to leaking when used heavily and filled with tractor fluid vs gear oil. I personally think that a good gear oil is much better in that application, as it does not mix with the rest of the tractor and is a dedicated fluid for a dedicated purpose.

When I took delivery of my Kubota L2501, I checked all the fluids and found the front axle to be low. I added gear oil to it. At the 400 hr service, I changed to 75w-90. Now over 500 hours of heavy use (loader often maxed out, difficult terrain, lots of loader cycles) I haven't had any issues.

 

[daman]

Its been theorized that the lower seals in the front axles are more prone to leaking when used heavily and filled with tractor fluid vs gear oil. I personally think that a good gear oil is much better in that application, as it does not mix with the rest of the tractor and is a dedicated fluid for a dedicated purpose.

When I took delivery of my Kubota L2501, I checked all the fluids and found the front axle to be low. I added gear oil to it. At the 400 hr service, I changed to 75w-90. Now over 500 hours of heavy use (loader often maxed out, difficult terrain, lots of loader cycles) I haven't had any issues.

If the lower seals leak it's because the left-hand side vent cap (some are not drilled) is plugged and its building axle pressure, drill a small pilot hole in the cap back side and it should never leak again.