Manufactures OCI Vs Your OCI..

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Ok....DO you think people are a little too Paranoid on OCI? My Hyundai saids 7500 OCI and 3000 OCI for sever.. since I do both.. i change my Oil at 5500 miles.

I remember a friend of mine has a VOlvo that saids 10,000 miles OCI but he changes it at 3,000.. most European and asian cars go around 5,000 to 10,000 OCI's... but people still change them around 3,000. I think we can use Oil more efficiently if we follow the Owners manual...

and the type of oiL? Well all Owners Manual saids "API Approved oil etc"... in which a .88 cents bottle of supertech is API Approved. A friend of mine has a Audi that saids "Castrol Syntec Recommended" and I told him.. you can change your oil at 10,000 miles.. he said "are you nuts?" anyways..
 
For most cars, I agree with you, but one glaring exception is the VW/Audi 1.8T, particularly if mounted longintudinally with a 4 qt. capacity, which can be pushed to 4.5 with an oversize filter. With my wife's local urban driving, I cannot risk a 5K mile OCI, even with Mobil 1 0W-40 and the big 068-115-561B filter. I plan to continue to wrestle with the belly pan and the coolant recovery tank every 3000 to 3500 miles. Paranoid? You bet, but these engines are VERY expensive to repair or replace, and there are lots of death-by-sludge horror stories out there.

By the way, my 2001 owner's manual says to use either API SL or VW 502 oil, but VWoA's recent sludge notice insists on 502-compliant synthetic from a relatively short list. It also specifies a 5K mile OCI, with more frequent changes for severe service, which it unfortunately defines as driving in dusty or extremely cold conditions. Every other manufacturer also includes short trips, stop-and-go, and hot-weather driving under the "severe service" rubric.

My 2003 Dodge Stratus gets a by-the-book 3K mile OCI, again based on "severe service," but it gets buck-a-quart Pennzoil dino instead of Mobil 1 0W-40 "[pampered] European car forumla."

[ December 25, 2004, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: John_E ]
 
I myself am paranoid. I change the oil in my nissan sentra ser specv every 3750 miles, while using 5w30 dino. I have done 1 used oil analysis on it using 0w40 mobil1 at 4800 miles and blackstone said my engine and oil looked good, and should try a longer oci for the next sampleing
 
i change my oil according to the owners manual at 7500 miles. i change the oil filter according to the owners manual also, at 15,000 miles.

all you people need to stop worring about sludge and just change the oil whenever. some of you are so paranoid that i laugh at you.
 
My accord manual says 10K OCI and 20K filter change for "normal" conditions with SL Dino 5W20. I go 7-8K with M1 0w20 and renew the filter at each oil change with a Honda jspec.
 
Yea but don;t forget about all the toyota, jeep, etc... owners that DID follow the specs and when their engines went bad the makers just told them THEY the owners did it wrong and were SOL.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news02/toyota_sludge.html

Toyota did not do anything UNTIL people started getting the media involved.

Oil is cheap, engines are not. Heck why chance it when you can get Supertech oil (Mobil) for less then a buck and a Supertech filter (Champ) for 2.
 
I change at 3k as per sever service since im still under warranty. I use Valv Durablend 5/30. This current OCI is the one exception. I am trying out M1SS 5/30 in hopes of reaching 6k miles effectivly doubling OCI yet staying under the 7500 mile "normal" service while im under warranty. This is on a '02 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7L. I am not about to play games with DC and there warranty work. So what they want is what they get for another 40k miles.
 
On newer cars, I think there are 2 good ways to go.
[especially if you like dino] My first choice would be to cut in half the mfg OCI using an oil extractor pump and reuse the filter, 2:1. Use any oil you like, but GF-4 dino offers a lot for the money.
[if you like synth] Second choice is to stick with the required-for-warranty OCI with filter change (especially if it is free inclusive service) but use the best possible oil. Good advice for the low-maintenance crowd who wants to skip the 3000 mile "rule".
I am out-of-warranty and do 7500 miles on GC, pump it out and do another 7500 on the old filter and fresh oil. It is cost-effective compared to the dealer popping off the filter everytime.

[ December 25, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Audi Junkie ]
 
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Originally posted by cryptokid:
... all you people need to stop worring about sludge and just change the oil whenever. some of you are so paranoid that i laugh at you.

I am glad I am so entertaining.
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I wish VWoA's customer service were equally so. Read a few of the sludge horror stories on vwvortex.com (b5 forums) and, when it comes back online, clubb5.com. If you drove a $7000 turbocharged engine with a too-small sump, you'd be joining me in 3.5K mile OCIs with Mobil 1.
 
IMO - At some point, self-education and common sense must prevail. Too many folks simply take the manufacturer's word as gospel and choose to ignore the "fine print" in the owner's manual. I also believe that much of this problem is perpetuated by free schedualed programs. I witness this all too often...."Why should I 'pay' for an oil change when I get one for free every 10K miles?" C'mon people, general automotive maintanence is no secret. If you value your investment and the convenience it provides, take some time to learn about and care for it in a manner thats appropriate to the conditions in which it is used.

[ December 26, 2004, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Brikhead ]
 
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If you drove a $7000 turbocharged engine with a too-small sump, you'd be joining me in 3.5K mile OCIs with Mobil 1.

Why'd you buy the 1.8T in the first place? Didn't you see the engine specs in the brochure? For example, I almost didn't buy an A4, because I really wanted a bigger fuel tank in my vehicle. In the end I decided I could live with an inconvenient range of only 350 miles, but I knew about the issue beforehand.
 
I change my oil every 10K whether it needs it or not. I haven't been doing this for too long -- I had to progress from 3K to 5K then took the leap to 10K. So far so good.
 
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Originally posted by John_E:
If you drove a $7000 turbocharged engine with a too-small sump, you'd be joining me in 3.5K mile OCIs with Mobil 1.

I think you should run Redline Oil in this situation. BTW, what does it cost for a larger capacity oil pan?
 
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Originally posted by moribundman:

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If you drove a $7000 turbocharged engine with a too-small sump, you'd be joining me in 3.5K mile OCIs with Mobil 1.

Why'd you buy the 1.8T in the first place? Didn't you see the engine specs in the brochure? For example, I almost didn't buy an A4, because I really wanted a bigger fuel tank in my vehicle. In the end I decided I could live with an inconvenient range of only 350 miles, but I knew about the issue beforehand.


Ditto. Before I committed myself to my Passat 1.8T 4 years before, I was wary then of turbo engines being meticulous on oil(think synthetic)and knew that there would be lube issues down the road.

However, I went ahead convinced myself to own one and thru its ownership I learned to know how to approach its various quirks(thanks to various VW club sites)and paid attention to its lubrication needs(reason why I joined BITOG
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Well, here we are 4 years down and we get the Passat 1.8T sludge fiasco...oh well.

At least its good to know I have BITOG on my side.
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[ December 26, 2004, 01:10 AM: Message edited by: vwoom ]
 
Does anyone have a number of how many percent of 1.8T engine are affected by sludge? How many of those engines have VW and Audi so far replaced? Has anybody heard of any sludge problem with these engines in Europe, because I haven't heard anything?
 
Here's some sludge stats:

" Oil sludge woes plague VW; automaker to pay for engine repairs, extend warranties

RALPH KISIEL | Automotive News
Posted Date: 8/30/04

DETROIT - In the latest example of Volkswagen of America Inc.'s quality woes, the automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an engine oil sludge problem.

Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say how many engines have been replaced or repaired, or what it is spending to fix the problem.

Owners began receiving letters from VWoA this month. Remedies range from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes replacing engines.

Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.

The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the year-ago period. And it has only been a year since VW voluntarily recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition coils.

VW is not alone in grappling with engine oil sludge complaints. Last week the Center for Auto Safety in Washington demanded that the Chrysler group fix sludge problems and extend warranties on 2.7-liter V-6 engines in its 1998 to 2002 vehicles.

Confirming that VW has received "numerous reports of problems," VWoA spokesman Tony Fouladpour said that VW is extending factory warranties from five years to eight years. Warranties are transferable.

Changes for '05

VW is requiring its dealers to use synthetic oil and a larger oil filter in the 2005 Passat and A4. Some 2005 A4s are in dealerships. The 2005 Passat will arrive in October.

A National Highway Traffic Safety Administration source said the agency has had 12 to 15 sludge complaints for 2000 to 2004 Passats and A4s. One complaint was about an engine seizure.

VWoA will pay the cost of replacing an engine. For example, an independent repair shop in Tennessee that just replaced a sludge-damaged engine in a 1999 Passat charged the customer $2,500. Of that, $1,400 was for labor. The customer would be eligible for a reimbursement if he can show that he was having the oil changed as recommended.

VW dealers are seeing the problem mostly with owners who don't follow the recommended oil change intervals, said Gene Langan, of Gene Langan Volkswagen Inc. in Glastonbury, Conn.

"I've seen a few cases," he said. "It seems to happen mostly when we can't verify oil change history, when people don't do them for 20,000 miles. I think that this is a problem that is pretty broad in the industry right now."

VW owners will pay more for an oil change with synthetic oil, Langan said. An oil change with regular oil costs about $30, he said. It's about $65 with synthetic oil.

In its letter to Passat and A4 owners, VW says that it will cover necessary engine repairs if oil sludge causes a problem and the vehicle owner could provide proof of oil changes. Oil changes would have to be according to VW-recommended maintenance schedules. VW recommends that oil be changed at 5,000 miles or six months.

How it occurs

The letter states that engine oil sludge occurs when old, dirty engine oil thickens and cannot continue to provide correct lubrication. It says the condition occurs primarily when the engine is operated at oil change intervals beyond those prescribed in the owner's manual.

Fouladpour said VW decided to contact owners after studying the oil sludge problem that Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. faced two years ago.

Toyota in April 2002 notified 3.3 million owners of 1997 to 2002 Toyota and Lexus vehicles with certain V-6 and four-cylinder engines that it would pay for sludge-related repairs for eight years from date of purchase. At the time, Toyota said that it had received about 3,400 sludge-related complaints.

"We looked at that and learned from their experience," Fouladpour said.

VW builds most of its 1.8 T engines at its Gyor, Hungary, engine plant."
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I also have'nt heard of 1.8T sludge issues beyond The Pond.

I attribute the sludge problems mainly to the small sump design of the longitudinal engine(suspension clearance)made serious in combination with low quality NA fuels, North American driving conditions, cheap bulk dealer dino, abuse and neglect.
 
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