Originally Posted by fdcg27
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by fdcg27
You wanna talk specific output?
Show me a production NA Euro car engine that can meet the standard set by the Honda S2000.
Honda recommended no more than an API 10w30 for this engine.
Sorry, but Euro engineering really isn't all that grand by current standards, much as I've liked owning Euro cars in the past.
While the S2000 was indeed impressive, particularly the slightly more power dense but arguably less fun AP1 version at 123HP/L in its most powerful incarnation with an 11.7:1 compression ratio (versus the AP2 at 108HP/L), several years earlier BMW had produced the S70/2 for McLaren for use in the F1, which, in street trim produced 618HP (103HP/L) with an 11:1 compression ratio, or if you were one of the lucky buggers to end up with a few of the very limited production LM models, you received 680HP (113HP/L), very close to Honda's later AP1 figure, higher than that of the AP2 and at an only slightly less incredible redline of 8,500rpm. It of course also got to wear the title of fastest car in the world for a stint
Now, you DID say production, and while the BMW S62 (featured in the E39 M5) was indeed a production engine, its use in the Ascari A10 likely doesn't fit with your criteria, since the car was never mass produced. However it does beg mention I think for the simple fact that this 90's engine was able to go from producing a modest 400HP in sedan trim (80HP/L) to 625HP in Ascari trim (125HP/L).
I'm not sure why edyvw chose the MB engine he did
Speaking specifically of sedans, the current AMG S65 is powered by a 621HP V12, and its slightly less powerful S63 sibling's 4.0L bi-turbo V8 produces 603HP. I don't believe Lexus makes anything in that ballpark.
When one talks about specific output, we forget that in naturally aspirated engines more hp usually indicates torque at very high rpms.
For example engine in my Toyota has 245lb-ft at 4,500rpms. Engine is completely lathergic below 4000rpms. One would expect that engine would blew fire at 6,500rpm, but it literally runs out of air at diesel like 5,500rpm.
In 2006, BMW in N52 had 232lb-ft from 3ltr displacement engine at 2,750rpm, and still blew fire at 7,000rpm.
When you talk about S70/2, we are talking about V12 engine, which is much, much harder to make to spin that fast, compare to 4cyl.
As for MB, I just mentioned as OP has MB. As I stated, choice of oil is made based on numerous factors each company does. Any NA European engine can make hundreds of thousands miles driven by average American driver on American roads using ILSAC GF-5 oils. They cannot do that in Germany. Anyone who knows anything about German culture knows that when they developed those engines and recommended oils, they could not care less about someone in Austin.
There are vast stretches in the US and Canada where you can drive quite fast for hours on end. That such things ever existed in continental Europe is more myth then reality. The German driven engines may not last as long simply because they spend so much time crawling through German traffic.
Sorry edy, but that's reality.
Been there, done that and the opportunities to go really fast are very limited, more so than they are here.
You wanna do 90 mph through the Western Plains or West Texas? Have at it since nobody will care. Been there and done that in both. Not much road you can get by with that in Germany nor anywhere else in the EU.
Alright, I'll take the bait, and the abuse.
Hey fdcg27, with all due respect because I've seen your posts for years now, one can drive much faster in the E.U. Driving 130 mph for two hours straight does place different demands on many elements of a vehicle.
Edyvw, you bring up valid points but with sweeping generalizations about places and people and things which weaken your argument.
Did I miss the post with the RX8 hp/liter?
