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Mach-E sales drop 40% - Fickle market
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No, it's not cool. Are you cool with all the wars this country has fought over oil? Find me your sinless solution...
Yeah, it sucked. I complained about it for years to the service manager and GM, and finally (not as a result of me), Mazda released a software update that fixed it. The ECU pulled 100% of the boost in 1st gear, and nearly 100% in 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th accelerated similar to normal.
Yes. It had that cold weather boost cut (fixed in 2022 I heard), and it munched mirror motors to the tune of once every 20-25k miles (both sides). Other than that, pretty flawless, and the motors got a TSB, too, allegedly. For its price point nothing touches it IMO.
You think so? The 4 cylinder Fox body of 80’s and that v6 of 1990s was simply awful too. At least it moves quickly.
I've been looking at new F-350's lately and haven't noticed many E-Mustangs on the lots. Generally, I see a few SUV's, gas Mustangs along with many F-150's. Could the downturn in production numbers be due to parts shortages? Also, for non-track or heavy towing use, is limiting maximum acceleration to 5 seconds an issue?
What do you think we've been doing for the last 20 years?
Tax guidance and supply shortages are good excuses but their goal of 50k units is going to be a hard sell. Ford really in modern times isnt known for their CUVs. They make a metric ton of them, especially fleet vehicles but I didnt see this going after the Model Y toe to toe.
Thankfully they embraced E-150. That was a brilliant move, and really played into their strength as a company. I do think the lifestylers are going to pick up the Cybertruck, but F150 EV is going to deliver the fight in every other segment. The fleet folks so far I have spoken to enjoy this and the F150 Power on board system immensely.
Thankfully they embraced E-150. That was a brilliant move, and really played into their strength as a company. I do think the lifestylers are going to pick up the Cybertruck, but F150 EV is going to deliver the fight in every other segment. The fleet folks so far I have spoken to enjoy this and the F150 Power on board system immensely.
Let me simplify this.
1) Ford's EV successes will likely be with trucks and full-sized SUVs.
2) Tesla is still the only automaker who makes a fun and futuristic EV.
3) If you invested in the eight largest automakers 12 years ago and held onto them until today, your net return would have been 0.01%. I calculated this about a week ago.
These automakers have made hundreds of billions of dollars during the greatest period of global prosperity in history. And adjusting for inflation, they're now worth over 20% less than in the height of the Great Recession.
Why? The competition.
Tesla has 30% margins. No dealers limiting their competitiveness. No retiree costs. And no need to advertise. They are synonymous with EVs. Everywhere. And their current generation of batteries will usually last between 300k to 450k miles with only a 20% to 25% reduction in range.
The game is already over. We're just watching the winner collect the chips.
1) Ford's EV successes will likely be with trucks and full-sized SUVs.
2) Tesla is still the only automaker who makes a fun and futuristic EV.
3) If you invested in the eight largest automakers 12 years ago and held onto them until today, your net return would have been 0.01%. I calculated this about a week ago.
These automakers have made hundreds of billions of dollars during the greatest period of global prosperity in history. And adjusting for inflation, they're now worth over 20% less than in the height of the Great Recession.
Why? The competition.
Tesla has 30% margins. No dealers limiting their competitiveness. No retiree costs. And no need to advertise. They are synonymous with EVs. Everywhere. And their current generation of batteries will usually last between 300k to 450k miles with only a 20% to 25% reduction in range.
The game is already over. We're just watching the winner collect the chips.
Is it an issue...depends.
Did you know it would do that before you bought it?
Do you care if it's the slowest in its peer group because it cuts power after 5 seconds ?
If you dont care about any of that then it probably isnt, if you do it is.
Not sure if we are at this point, but you do make some great points. Legacy car makers are strapped with their legacy business models in the Internet age.
Tesla is way ahead of the game, sure. They are a pure play EV manufacturer; the big boys have to allocate scarce resources over competing business units.
Tesla's margins are pure might in business; leverage. Not to mention their ability to raise capital. No one can match that.
VW got rid of Diess. Farley is trying to transform Ford. Barra is bat crap crazy, she's sold 122 Lyriqs.
Sooner or later somebody's bound to do something right!
Your entire wrath is 100% about me saying Ford targeted their first EV at the wrong demographic by calling it a Mustang. I said nothing negative against EV's in general or Tesla. If you have an alternate theory on Mach E sales what say you? You would rather troll and argue about EV's.
As for expensive half tons - there are certainly outliers but a lot of guys I know that buy expensive half tons are contractors, and they immediately take a special first year depreciation on it thats likely half its value. If you made a lot of money this year and you have a business or side business, it would be a good year to do it. I know several people with a hobby "farm" and a couple guys that own rental properties - and they do exactly this. You could also do it on a mach-e - if you can justify you need it for your job. Maybe a realtor or something? My guess is that's a smaller percentage than F150's sales.
Where I live is irrelevant. If your trying to calculate my EV ROI, I can do that myself, and there is no positive ROI for almost any length of time in South Carolina. Our gas is cheap, our electricity is not, and there is no additional state rebate. Some people still own them, and thats certainly there choice. I don't need a 4x4 but I own 2 - so same difference.
Throwing out false strawman's on others theories you don't like doesn't add to the discussion.
I'll stop feeding the troll now.
In a word, sickening to see taxpayer $$ wasted like this. Time to hide.................
Guns-n-Butter! Everyone wants a piece for what they deem is important.In a word, sickening to see taxpayer $$ wasted like this. Time to hide.................
Yep, but imo there are things a lot more important than this. Opinions will vary.
EV rebates are just like cash for clunkers - a windfall profit for the auto makers at the expense of the working poor.
For the record lest anyone shout bias, I am not the working poor (anymore). But I grew up as that and still think that way, and always will I suppose.
For the record lest anyone shout bias, I am not the working poor (anymore). But I grew up as that and still think that way, and always will I suppose.
