M1 EP 15W-50 Goes Group III

[buster]

I believe Tooslick said that Amsoil was starting to blend in Group III base oils into some of their other synthetics. I'd like to ask him if he was referring to oils other than the XL line??

A guy from Elf/Total here in NJ said Group III's are the future.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

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my question is, can true PAO based oil pass API testing standards?

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Friend. PAO is a petroleum product. Esters are sold to or made by oil blenders and associated chemical companies to create finished lubricants.

 

[modvp]

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Just checked the latest M1 5W-30 EP MSDS and found the following statement:

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Contains:
Base oil severely refined: Not carcinogenic in animal studies. Representative material passes IP-346, Modified Ames test, and/or other screening tests. Dermal and inhalation studies showed minimal effects; lung non-specific infiltration of immune cells, oil deposition and minimal granuloma formation. Not sensitizing in test animals.

Synthetic base oils: Not expected to cause significant health effects under conditions of normal use, based on laboratory studies with the same or similar materials. Not mutagenic or genotoxic. Not sensitizing in test animals and humans.

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The same statement is on their 10W-30 EP only the synthetic statement comes before the severly refined statement.

Tom

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Any idea of the significance of having that statement first?

 

[Pablo]

buster - TS said he had some thoughts that Amsoil might be -but he never said he knew anything nor did he say which oils.

 

[Tom NJ]

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Any idea of the significance of having that statement first?

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Some companies list these ingredients in the order of their concentration, but there is no requirement to do so on the MSDS so any significance would be sheer speculation. What is interesting is that they now list severely refined base oil as a component separate from the synthetic base oils. It's also possible that they are referring to additive carrier oil, but the reference to the severely refined base oil is not present on many of their other M1 oils which would also have additive carrier oil.

Tom

 

[Captain Howdy]

Wow.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Surely by now they know we know...Waiting for a press conference

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Mobil 1 is still Group IV. Period......... Mobil 1 is Mobil's flagship, state of the art product.
Plus the move would make MobilChem very, very unhappy, as they are the supplier of the Group IV base stock..
There would be three wise men arriving from the East on Camels coincidence with Mobil Oil going to OUTSIDE vendors to obtain a Group III base stock.. It just does not work that way...
Mobil one is very simply a Group IV PAO base stock oil; period.. At least it is nice to know where a false rumour has begun!
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[buster]

George, you failed to confirm the Na in Mobil 5000 and now you're denying what the MSDS says along with 3 G.C. tests? BTW, Mobil makes Group III's so they wouldn't be going anywhere to purchase them. I thought you would have known that.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

The "severely refined" would be for the extremely small component of additization...
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[buster]

When you call them, they will not tell you. It's bc it is a Group III. Find out for yourself George.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

So, the statement M1 EP 15W-50 goes Group III is a completely false statement...... Period....
I would love to see a 50W group III with a pour point of -54 F.. Not hardly... This alone is Group IV territory...
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[427Z06]

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George, you failed to confirm the Na in Mobil 5000 and now you're denying what the MSDS says along with 3 G.C. tests?

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Yeah...what happened George, you never did get back to us as you promised on this one?

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Hmmm, Buster, I just called Mobil Tech Support, talked with Joe and he said, as always, Mobil 1 is a full synthetic, Group IV base stock oil with no mineral base component. (with the exception of a small amount of additive carrier which is insignificant)
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[buster]

George, I've always been a M1 fan. I'm not trying to bash your product, but I call it like I see it. They always used to tell me Group IV and V. Now they don't tell me at all, the MSDS says severly refined, and 3 G.C. tests have been run by a few guy's that really know what they are talking about. At the end of the day George, it's all about $$. Especially these days.....

 

[427Z06]

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I would love to see a 50W group III with a pour point of -54 F.. Not hardly... This alone is Group IV territory...
George Morrison, STLE CLS

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It's advertised as -43.6°F now, it was -49°F, previously.

 

[Pablo]

George thanks for chiming in (tough audience) - so what are we to make of the GC claims? Bad reading? Counterfeit oil? Internet baloney?

 

[buster]

BTW, the tech guys might now even know! Which is a very strong possibility.

 

[mcrn]

I have emailed them and said that I basically am a member of a forum that is big on lubrication. I told them about the G.C test and what was found. Asked if they had changed anything. I have yet to get a reply.

 

[JAG]

Could Gas-to-Liquid oil show up as mineral oil in G.C.? Does XOM currently have the capability to make lots of it economically? I'd like to rule this out before I get one step closer to taking these results as fact.