M1 5w40 or EP

[ARB1977]

Im looking for results with either oil on a tacoma V6 2002. After wasting money on amsoil (very good oil by the way) its time to use something that i can find over the counter. Between the two what would you use? Norcal gets 40 degrees in the winter and sometimes 100 degrees in the summer. Thanks.

 

[Al]

How long of oil change intervals are you planning on going??

 

[ARB1977]

Al,
Six months or 7500 miles.

 

[ruking77]

Not sure why you wish to get either oil when both are able to go a min of 15,000 mile OCI's? I have not used the EP, but it has 50% more of the active ingredients over Mobil One 5w30, which I do use and have for over 765,000 miles, with 15,000 mile OCI's.(in 5 Toyota Landcruisers, and Z06 Corvette and other cars)

I do use 5w40 Mobil One Truck & SUV aka Delvac One 5w40. I run 25,000 mile OCI's with a TDI application after the warranty period. 5w40 is one of Mobil One's best oils.

 

[benjamming]

Which AMSOIL were you using?
What is your driving routine?
By results, do you mean UOAs?

 

[Extreme-Duty]

Yes, Mobil 1 EP has 50% more of the "active ingredients" over Mobil 1 ILSAC GF-4. How much more does it have over the older M1 ILSAC GF-3 or M1 Truck&SUV?

BTW, M1 EP is not available in Europe, so I am going to use Delvac 1 in my Audi 80 1.6. I have been using the "european" Mobil 1 5w-40 for the last 20K miles. Will Delvac 1 harm the engine?

 

[Grossomotto]

I have a 2002 Tacoma V6 3.4L and I've been using GC 0W30 for quite a while. With only 6 Qts left, I'm going to change to M1 0W40 (0W35).

 

[windnsea00]

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BTW, M1 EP is not available in Europe, so I am going to use Delvac 1 in my Audi 80 1.6. I have been using the "european" Mobil 1 5w-40 for the last 20K miles. Will Delvac 1 harm the engine?

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In the USA Mobil 1 5w40 Truck&SUV and Delvac 1 are the same oil just different labeling.

 

[Extreme-Duty]

Yes, but the "European" M1 5w-40 is something different, it is called "Higher Milage Formula". It is almost unknown and difficult to find, I cannot even find an English PDS.

Mobil 1 5w-40 German

Spanish looks good too:
Mobil 1 5w-40 Spanish

A great product for people who need an oil with European specifications, but don't like the 0w-40 grade.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

In the USA Mobil 1 5w40 Truck&SUV and Delvac 1 DOES NOT have the same add-pack.

 

[Mickey_M]

I believe you'll find the current Delvac 1 and Mobil 1 5W-40 Truck & SUV in the U.S.A. to be the same oils.


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[Triple_Se7en]

Base oils may be the same - but not the add-packs.

 

[Mickey_M]

They're the same oils, additives, base oils, and blend stocks.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000202#000000

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_5W-40.asp

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_Truck_SUV_5W-40.asp

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[moribundman]

Well, as far as I remember, M1 5W-40's additives were changed a little a short while after its introduction. The older M1 5W-40 matched D1 5W-40 exactly, the newer M1 5W-40 differed a little. And how do we know D1 wasn't changed, too? Don't all the formulations get constantly tweaked?

 

[Gary Allan]

777 - I gotta ask for the source that gives you such conviction in that assertion. Granted we've never seen any official bona fide XOM literature that verify that T&SUV is D1 ..but the vast mountain of evidence - even XOM's identical spec sheets - heavily (to a very extreme degree) points to the products being identical and merely repackaged for different marketing purposes.

Help me out here

Sorry for the "code" ..but I couldn't for the life of me find the characters that seemed to upset the board's software.

code:

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Here's the teutonic M1 5w-40



Spezifikationen/Freigaben



Mobil 1 5W-40 erfüllt die Spezifikationen:

ACEA A3, B3, B4

API SL, SJ, CF





Mobil 1 5W-40 ist freigegeben gemäß:

Daimler Chrysler 229.3

Porsche Approved

Volkswagen 502.00/505.00





Typische Produktdaten



Mobil 1 5W-40

SAE Klasse 5W-40

Viskosität, ASTM D 445

mm²/s bei 40ºC 87.2

mm²/s bei 100ºC 14.6

Viskosität, sindex, ASTM D 2270 175

Sulfatasche, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2

HTHS Viskosität, mPas bei 150ºC , ASTM D 4683 3.80

Pourpoint, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54

Flammpunkt, ºC, ASTM D 92 238

Dichte bei 15 ºC, kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.857



Mobil 1 5w-40 Synth S



Specifications & Approvals



Mobil Synt S 5W-40 meets or exceeds the following industry specifications:

5W-40

ACEA A3, B3, B4

API SL,SJ,EC,CF





Mobil Synt S 5W-40 has the following builder approvals:

5W-40

BMW LL-98

DC 229.3

VW 502 00; 505 00

Opel GM-LL-B-025

Porsche Approved





Typical Properties



Mobil Synt S 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40º C 84

cSt @ 100º C 14.2

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 175

HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150º C, ASTM D4683 3.6

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -39

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 220

Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.855



Synth S V Special



Specifications & Approvals



Mobil Synt S Special V 5W-40 meets the following industry and builder specifications

API CF X

API SJ x

ACEA A3 x

ACEA B3 X





Mobil Synt S Special V 5W-40 has the following builder approvals

VW 505 01 X

Ford WSS-M2C917-A X





Mobil Synt S Special V 5W-40 is recommended for use in applications requiring:

VW 500 00 X





Typical Properties



Mobil Synt S Special V 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40°C 92.8

cSt @ 100°C 14.1

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 156

Sulphated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2

Total Base, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 9.7

Pour Point, °C, ASTM D 97
Flash Point, °C, ASTM D 92 239

Density @ 15°C, kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.857





Esso Ultron 5w-40











Specifications & Approvals



Esso Ultron 5W-40 meets or exceeds the following industry specifications:

API SL/SJ/CF

ACEA A3,B3,B4





Esso Ultron 5W-40 has the following OEM approvals:

BMW LONGLIFE OIL 98

Volkswagen 502 00 and 505 00

Mercedes Benz MB 229.3

Peugeot PSA E/D Level 3

Porsche

Opel GM-LL-B025





Typical Properties



Esso Ultron 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40º C 84

cSt @ 100º C 14.2

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 175

Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.02

HTHS Viscosity, mPa·s @ 150º CASTM D4683 3.6

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -39

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 220

Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.855



Delvac 1 SHC 5w-40



Specifications & Approvals



Mobil Delvac 1 SHC 5W-40 meets or exceeds the following industry and builder specifications:

ACEA E4/B4/B3

API CF





Mobil Delvac 1 SHC 5W-40 has the following builder approvals:

Mack EO-M

ZF-TE-ML 04C

Volvo VDS-2

Renault RVI RXD

Deutz TBD 616 Marine

Daimler Chrysler MB 228.5

MAN 3277

MTU Type 3





Mobil Delvac 1 SHC 5W-40 is recommended for use in applications requiring

API CE





Typical Properties



Mobil Delvac 1 SHC 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40ºC 93

cSt @ 100ºC 14.5

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 172

Sulphated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.8

Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 16

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226

Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.86



Delvac 1 CI4 PLUS





Specifications & Approvals



Mobil Delvac 1 Meets or Exceeds the following industry and builder specifications:

5W-40

API CI-4 PLUS/CI-4/CH-4/CG-4/CF-4/CF/SL/SJ X

ACEA E5/E4/E3 X

Caterpillar ECF-1 X

Cummins CES 20072/20071 X

Detroit Diesel Power Guard Oil Specification X

Global DHD-1 X

JASO DH-1 X





Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 has the following builder approvals:

5W-40

Cummins CES 20078/20077/20076/20075 X

Mack EO-N Premium Plus 03, EO-M Plus X

Mercedes Benz 228.5 X

Volvo VDS-3, VDS-2 X





Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 also recommended for use in applications requiring:

5W-40

Renault RVI RXD X





Typical Properties



Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40ºC 102

cSt @ 100ºC 14.8

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151

Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.35

Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226

Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.854



Delvac 1 CI-4



Specifications & Approvals



Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 meets the following industry and builder specifications:

API CI-4/CH-4/CG-4/CF-4/CF/SL/SJ

ACEA E5/E4/E3

JASO DH-1

Global DHD-1

Detroit Diesel (4-stroke) DDC 7SE270

Caterpillar ECF-1





Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 has the following builder approvals:

Mack EO-M, EO-M Plus, EO-N Premium Plus

Cummins CES 20078/77/76/75

Volvo VDS-3, VDS-2





Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 is recommended for use in applications requiring:

Cummins CES 20072/71

Renault RVI RXD





Typical Properties



Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40ºC 102

cSt @ 100ºC 14.8

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151

Sulphated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.35

Total Base # , mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226

Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.854

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[JohnBrowning]

It is not going to matter much! You could use either the 5W40 TSUV or M1EP 15W50 and not notice a difference in Norcal. I would use 5W40 TSUV it offers a good comoprimise.