M1 0w16 AFE vs 0w20EP for extreme cold?

WillsYoda · Aug 3, 2023

I have a toyota that is specced for 0w16, but can use 0w20. I am most concerned about extreme cold performance -20 to -30F. M1 0w20EP still has 20-30% PAO, which does very well in extreme cold for starts. M1 0w16 AFE has no PAO. If I recall correctly, the MRV and CCS numbers are better for the 0w16 (but I can't find them now). Which is better for extreme cold starts?

facility1 · Aug 4, 2023

look over HPL euro 5 w-20 the ccs vis is quite good,best to call them for current specs

facility1 · Aug 4, 2023

opps,wrong ,,HPL-0w-20 preminum plus passinger car oil has a pour point of -72 and ccs of 3979 at -35,,really impressive. oil

Jpc1623 · Aug 4, 2023

Use 0-16

JavierH19 · Aug 4, 2023

Either is fine for both. I'd use EP

kschachn · Aug 4, 2023

Both have a 0W winter rating. Both meet the requirements for that rating and will therefore meet the requirements for cranking and pumpability. At the temperatures you mention an oil with a 5W rating is also acceptable.

JavierH19 · Aug 4, 2023

If you're in temps where you start the engine at such lows in the morning you should have a pan heater anyway. A timer controlled wall plug is best for it.