Lucas Oil

[kschachn]

I learned long ago that Lucas users will be singled out and beat up for daring to mention a Lucas product ........ and yes because of the oil stabilizer

And to the point when I have used it I simply leave it out of my posts and only post or comment when other acceptable brands have been used

Used lots of Lucas in motocross applications as well as PJ1 , Maxima , and Klotz

Lucas 15w40 Magnum Long drain by the 5 gallon buckets
Many many 6 gallon bag in box of Lucas Dexos 5w30

If you’d care to pause, listen, and understand rather than playing the victim you might learn something.

 

[Braapdaddy]

Can you explain it to me like I'm 5 why, if you knew a guy that was intentionally running a scam on the elderly, selling them "blue pills" for $15 that were in fact tic-tacs, why you would, with that information in hand, still choose to over-pay him for commodity product you could buy from myriad other vendors whose business model didn't revolve around scamming people?

I knew you would be the one to respond in traditional OVERKILL fashion ....... all Lucas oil fights aside I don't take it personal at all and I won't explain it to you like your five

People blow money on the absolute stupidest things in the world from Starbucks to toilet paper

I shall never mention Lucas again in another post as long as I live Sir

 

[OVERKILL]

I knew you would be the one to respond in traditional OVERKILL fashion ....... all Lucas oil fights aside I don't take it personal at all and I won't explain it to you like your five

People blow money on the absolute stupidest things in the world from Starbucks to toilet paper

I shall never mention Lucas again in another post as long as I live Sir

I just struggle with the reasoning (hence the "explain it to me like I'm 5" comment). I would never intentionally interact with an individual or company that I knew was running a scam, it just seems morally negligent.

I totally get that people waste money, and my contention has nothing to do with that, if you want to spent $8 on a coffee that tastes like bilge water, that may not be my choice, but I have nothing against Starbucks as a company, they aren't selling used coffee grounds as "IQ Booster 9000, the Brain Stimulator" for $30 accompanied by a list of impossible claims.

I'm just having a real hard time with the rationalizing of purchasing Lucas products that aren't the scammy ones, because they aren't the scammy ones, when options from companies that aren't morally bankrupt exist, are even more available, and are offered at better prices

 

[Braapdaddy]

I just struggle with the reasoning (hence the "explain it to me like I'm 5" comment). I would never intentionally interact with an individual or company that I knew was running a scam, it just seems morally negligent.

I totally get that people waste money, and my contention has nothing to do with that, if you want to spent $8 on a coffee that tastes like bilge water, that may not be my choice, but I have nothing against Starbucks as a company, they aren't selling used coffee grounds as "IQ Booster 9000, the Brain Stimulator".

I'm just having a real hard time with the rationalizing of purchasing Lucas products that aren't the scammy ones, because they aren't the scammy ones, when options from companies that aren't morally bankrupt exist, are even more available, and are offered at better prices

Yes Sir I completely understand your point of view and your analogy

I have lots of Castrol in the stash and a few cases of AC Delco (Mobil) Dexos 5w30

I just inherited six 5 quart jugs of Pennzoil Full Syn black label from the FIL who can sold his car

Regards OVERKILL have a wonderful holiday Sir

 

[Carlostrece]

Yes, I agree. STP additives are the same garbage mostly. Now Auto Zone using the “STP” name as a house brand is a little bit of a different situation. I’m not sure how the agreement works. All the oils and filters are made by various companies picked by Auto Zone I believe.

I agree with you. What I don't understand is why Autozone thinks the STP brand name is an asset for what's really an Autozone store brand oil. I was initially turned off by the STP brand name until BITOG members explained that it's really Autozone oil.

IMO the STP brandname is benefiting from being affiliated with Autozone, not the other way around. I think using the STP brandname was a marketing blunder for Autozone. I would have immediately had more confidence in Autozone's storebrand oil if they called it Autozone oil.

 

[Carlostrece]

Opinion?
Hands down the leader in little white plastic gear lubricant …

Don't Amsoil and Castrol come in white bottles too? My certified mechanic raves about Amsoil, Royal Purple, and Castrol; but not in a positive way. More like he rants about them.

He also hates STP and doesn't like Lucas oil much either. But he's OK with Lucas red grease and PS fluid. He thinks Mobil One is a waste of money. He thinks all other brands are acceptable.

He puts Exxon/Mobil bulk oil in his customers cars unless they request other. He uses Valvoline in his car and Valvoline is his favorite, followed by Pennzoil and Shell. He's OK with all other brands.

My point is, it's not just Lucas & STP that some people don't like. To each their own.

One thing that's very taboo here is to publicly dislike a BITOG sponsor's oil or marketing practices. We all know that's taboo. So I won't say what I think of one of them. That said, I'll bet that if Lucas became a paying BITOG sponsor, then suddenly Lucas would become popular at BITOG, or at least those who don't like Lucas would keep quiet. That's forum politics.

You all know it's true. So how objective are the opinions of any sponsor's products? It would be very taboo to publicly not like one. But it's fine to bash any non sponsor to the extreme.

That is why opinions expressed have to be taken with a grain of salt. Also there's valid opinions that can't be expressed if they might offend a sponsor.

I appreciate BITOG and it provides much good info. However, one must realize that there are contraints on discussions that can affect objectivity in some discussions.

 

[facility1]

Don't Amsoil and Castrol come in white bottles too? My certified mechanic raves about Amsoil, Royal Purple, and Castrol; but not in a positive way. More like he rants about them.

He also hates STP and doesn't like Lucas much either. But he's OK with Lucas red grease and PS fluid. He thinks Mobil One is a waste of money. He thinks all other brands are acceptable.

He puts Exxon/Mobil bulk oil in his customers cars, but Valvoline is his favorite, followed by Pennzoil and Shell. He's OK with all other brands.

My point is, it's not just Lucas & STP that some people don't like. To each their own.

One thing that's very taboo here is to publicly not like a sponsor's oil. We all know that. So I won't say what I think of one of them. That said, I'll bet it Lucas became a sponsor then suddenly it'd be popular at BITOG, or at least those who don't like it would keep quiet. Cause that's forum politics which in reality trumps actual quality and cost considerations if they conflict.

unfortunately, many mechanics are clueless about engine oil & specifications etc. and lubricants in general (and blindly brand loyal) , honesty and integrity is another point some seem to not willingly to follow, and of course there are some mechanics that are up to date and well informed and honest as to what to do and recommend in regard to the oil and filter to be used in the proper application.

 

[Carlostrece]

unfortunately, many mechanics are clueless about engine oil & specifications etc. and lubricants in general (and blindly brand loyal) , honesty and integrity is another point some seem to not willingly to follow, and of course there are some mechanics that are up to date and well informed and honest as to what to do and recommend in regard to the oil and filter to be used in the proper application.

My mechanic is honest and knowlegable. He doesn't recommend or discuss oil brands, unless a customer asks for his opinion. He'll put in any oil the customer requests. If no specific brand is requested, he puts in Exxon oil that he buys in bulk. He's not pushing any brand.

 

[factorytuned2012]

He thinks Mobil One is a waste of money. He thinks all other brands are acceptable.

He puts Exxon/Mobil bulk oil in his customers cars unless they request other.

Waste of money, He must get a good price from his wholesaler on Mobil so why is he saying waste of money? By using Mobil products he’s supporting and promoting the brand. Does he put down Mobil paper floor mats?

 

[kschachn]

Don't Amsoil and Castrol come in white bottles too? My certified mechanic raves about Amsoil, Royal Purple, and Castrol; but not in a positive way. More like he rants about them.

He also hates STP and doesn't like Lucas oil much either. But he's OK with Lucas red grease and PS fluid. He thinks Mobil One is a waste of money. He thinks all other brands are acceptable.

He puts Exxon/Mobil bulk oil in his customers cars unless they request other. He uses Valvoline in his car and Valvoline is his favorite, followed by Pennzoil and Shell. He's OK with all other brands.

My point is, it's not just Lucas & STP that some people don't like. To each their own.

One thing that's very taboo here is to publicly dislike a BITOG sponsor's oil or marketing practices. We all know that's taboo. So I won't say what I think of one of them. That said, I'll bet that if Lucas became a paying BITOG sponsor, then suddenly Lucas would become popular at BITOG, or at least those who don't like Lucas would keep quiet. That's forum politics.

You all know it's true. So how objective are the opinions of any sponsor's products? It would be very taboo to publicly not like one. But it's fine to bash any non sponsor to the extreme.

That is why opinions expressed have to be taken with a grain of salt. Also there's valid opinions that can't be expressed if they might offend a sponsor.

I appreciate BITOG and it provides much good info. However, one must realize that there are contraints on discussions that can affect objectivity in some discussions.

If you really believe that any dislike for Lucas products is only because they aren't a sponsor and this is the "constraint" on objectivity, then you are lost without hope.

 

[4WD]

Yes, I agree. STP additives are the same garbage mostly. Now Auto Zone using the “STP” name as a house brand is a little bit of a different situation. I’m not sure how the agreement works. All the oils and filters are made by various companies picked by Auto Zone I believe.

Yep, I use the premium air filters - in my little village you go to where they might actually have them LoL … That’s AZ …
Think they are Champ …

 

[cheesepuffs2]

I agree with you. What I don't understand is why Autozone thinks the STP brand name is an asset for what's really an Autozone store brand oil. I was initially turned off by the STP brand name until BITOG members explained that it's really Autozone oil.

IMO the STP brandname is benefiting from being affiliated with Autozone, not the other way around. I think using the STP brandname was a marketing blunder for Autozone. I would have immediately had more confidence in Autozone's storebrand oil if they called it Autozone oil.

The STP name, for an oil, has way more brand equity built up over the past several decades than a generic Autozone oil could ever have.

Most people buying oil at Autozone aren't well informed. The STP brand is recognizable, and that recognition paired with some of their lowest in-store pricing makes it a great match for many people just looking for oil without any idea of what they want already.

 

[4WD]

If you really believe that any dislike for Lucas products is only because they aren't a sponsor and this is the "constraint" on objectivity, then you are lost without hope.

Seems the sponsor thing has been debunked often …

 

[factorytuned2012]

why is the STP brand getting beat up? here is what AI says about the brand,

DuckAssist​

BETA

STP motor oil is produced by various manufacturers depending on contracts, so it may be blended by different companies that meet the required specifications. The oil is generally considered to be of basic API quality, suitable for everyday use

 

[4WD]

The STP name, for an oil, has way more brand equity built up over the past several decades than a generic Autozone oil could ever have.

Most people buying oil at Autozone aren't well informed. The STP brand is recognizable, and that recognition paired with some of their lowest in-store pricing makes it a great match for many people just looking for oil without any idea of what they want already.

Ours is setup in ascending order left to right starting with STP -
then Mobil 1 ESP wraps it up … I realize there is money needed to get that - but IMO - it’s like a horizontal totem pole as well

 

[kschachn]

STP motor oil is produced by various manufacturers depending on contracts, so it may be blended by different companies that meet the required specifications. The oil is generally considered to be of basic API quality, suitable for everyday use

Yes, same as the Lucas equivalent.

You just have some posters here that either cannot stay on the specific topic or have some sort of point to make.

 

[dnewton3]

Too much bickering and too many opinions passed as claim to facts.
We're done here.