Luber/Finer PH820 C&P

[GriffinB]

I ran this on my 2001 Ford Crown Victoria for 328 miles and it had 153,269 on it at the time. This was used for the initial startup after my timing chain replacement. I prefilled the filter as much as I could and for the couple of days I used it I had no startup noise/rattle. The inside of the filter definitely leaves a lot to be desired but I don't expect much at $1.63 a filter.
These are the guides that came off, they are surprisingly in worse condition then my Bullitt's.

The cam journals were in surprisingly bad condition with a decent but of scarring and pitting. I put it back together and will deal with it(new heads) if it becomes an issue.

There was not a of metal on the drain plug compared to before which is nice to see.

Made in USA.

Seems like a rubber ABDV, plenty pliable.

The oil itself was pretty murky and glittery but pretty much brand new. I wanna say it was Supertech High Mileage Full Synthetic 5w30.

The pleats are pretty straight but it's probably half the amount as the PG4651EX, also the cardboard endcaps are flimsy, you've gotta cut costs somewhere.

 

[Urshurak776]

Filter did it's job. Put one of those Pronto's back on roll.

I'm not a fan of those Cam Journal bearings. I would have had a hard time putting that back on if it was my car. Car running fine?

 

[JavierH19]

did this vic see police or fleet use?

 

[GriffinB]

Filter did it's job. Put one of those Pronto's back on roll.

I'm not a fan of those Cam Journal bearings. I would have had a hard time putting that back on if it was my car. Car running fine?

I think there is a PH820XL from Champ on right now just to use it up. After that I'll just do Pronto's.

Yeah it was hard for me too but I didn't notice anything before so I figure it will be fine for a while. And imagine how many of these 4.6s had similar metal running through the oil from failed timing components and they just replace them and keep going. Car is running great especially with the JMOD I did as well. I will do a 3k OCI which is in around 800 miles from now and I will do a used oil analysis on that.

 

[GriffinB]

did this vic see police or fleet use?

Nope it is an LX so only civilian use, I think an old man owned it for a while and was well maintained, the CarFax looked good.

 

[53' Stude]

I ran this on my 2001 Ford Crown Victoria for 328 miles and it had 153,269 on it at the time. This was used for the initial startup after my timing chain replacement. I prefilled the filter as much as I could and for the couple of days I used it I had no startup noise/rattle. The inside of the filter definitely leaves a lot to be desired but I don't expect much at $1.63 a filter.
These are the guides that came off, they are surprisingly in worse condition then my Bullitt's.
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The cam journals were in surprisingly bad condition with a decent but of scarring and pitting. I put it back together and will deal with it(new heads) if it becomes an issue.
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There was not a of metal on the drain plug compared to before which is nice to see.
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Made in USA.
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Seems like a rubber ABDV, plenty pliable.
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The oil itself was pretty murky and glittery but pretty much brand new. I wanna say it was Supertech High Mileage Full Synthetic 5w30.
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The pleats are pretty straight but it's probably half the amount as the PG4651EX, also the cardboard endcaps are flimsy, you've gotta cut costs somewhere.
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Nice work sir

 

[fantastic]

The LSJr video was discussing the pitting phenomenon. It's debris that slams against the clearances & takes out chunks of metal along its route. Interesting to see it in action.

 

[GriffinB]

The LSJr video was discussing the pitting phenomenon. It's debris that slams against the clearances & takes out chunks of metal along its route. Interesting to see it in action.

And these debris in question are no doubt from the timing guides and tensioner arms. I would've taken some crank bearing caps off if the bolts weren't TTY as I'm scared theirs some pitting their as well. Thank god for UOA and cutting filters open as I would've had no idea the guides were failing.

 

[fantastic]

And these debris in question are no doubt from the timing guides and tensioner arms. I would've taken some crank bearing caps off if the bolts weren't TTY as I'm scared theirs some pitting their as well. Thank god for UOA and cutting filters open as I would've had no idea the guides were failing.

There are a few that think UOA are "worthless" to boot.

 

[ZeeOSix]

There are a few that think UOA are "worthless" to boot.

It takes a high level of wear and some historical used oil analysis on the engine to see trends in order to see if something is going wrong. A real major wear issue might be noticeable right off the bat if the wear metal levels are crazy high. used oil analysis only see particles that are 5u and less, so it takes major wear to see a red flag up tick in ppms because the majority of the wear particles in a bad wear sitiuation are most likely greater than 5u and can't be detected in the UOA.

 

[fantastic]

It takes a high level of wear and some historical used oil analysis on the engine to see trends in order to see if something is going wrong. A real major wear issue might be noticeable right off the bat if the wear metal levels are crazy high. used oil analysis only see particles that are 5u and less, so it takes major wear to see a red flag up tick in ppms because the majority of the wear particles in a bad wear sitiuation are most likely greater than 5u and can't be detected in the UOA.

It's nice to have data. UOA are used for other things too that aren't dependent on wear alone. I'm in the camp that UOA are not "worthless" though.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ I didn't say or imply that used oil analysis were worthless. Just saying it takes a lot of wear and some historical data of used oil analysis on the same engine to see a noticeable change in trends to indicate some abnormal wear is happening due to some kind of mechanical issue. There have been instances where a major mechanical wear issue is going on, the oil and oil filter has all kinds of visible metal debris, but the UAO didn't show some huge up tick in wear metals that were 5u and smaller. A standard Blackstone type of UOA is pretty insensitive to major wear events. Cutting open oil filters (and magnetic drain plug and/or filter magnets) and looking for abnormal debris is probably just as good or better way to discover abnormal mechanical issues instead of relying of an insensitive UOA for that.

 

[fantastic]

^^^ I didn't say or imply that used oil analysis were worthless. Just saying it takes a lot of wear and some historical data of used oil analysis on the same engine to see a noticeable change in trends to indicate some abnormal wear is happening due to some kind of mechanical issue. There have been instances where a major mechanical wear issue is going on, the oil and oil filter has all kinds of visible metal debris, but the UAO didn't show some huge up tick in wear metals that were 5u and smaller. A standard Blackstone type of UOA is pretty insensitive to major wear events. Cutting open oil filters (and magnetic drain plug and/or filter magnets) and looking for abnormal debris is probably just as good or better way to discover abnormal mechanical issues instead of relying of an insensitive UOA for that.

Certainly no fail safe for sure. I don't know what it is but I wish I could send off a sample of oil every day.
But then I'd be pulling my hair out over the P.O. delivery times. Last sample from MO to OH took 3 weeks.

 

[Fair enough]

The oil supply hole to the cam is many times larger than the pits. I don’t think the theory metal was torn out by debris works that way making a nice little hole. There would be a groove. If the camshaft bearings are ok I bet the caps are too. I always wondered why Toyota used bare aluminum alloy to run the cams in too. The few I have seen in life were worse than this and nothing went wrong after, they had more scoring.
I suppose the pressures on the cam bearings isn’t anything like a crankshaft bearing sees, only the valve spring pressure.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I always wondered why Toyota used bare aluminum alloy to run the cams in too.

Ford does too on their over head cam engines. Pretty much all Asian motorcycles have used no cam journal bearing inserts ... the "bearing" is just milled into the aluminum head.

 

[fantastic]

The oil supply hole to the cam is many times larger than the pits. I don’t think the theory metal was torn out by debris works that way making a nice little hole. There would be a groove.

Zoom in & brighten the picture, It's no theory & those holes are not "Nice little Holes" either. Certainly not uniform & most certainly from debris. OP car was using 20 grade to boot when this engine should be using a 30 grade IMO but Ford needing to increase their numbers.

 

[ZeeOSix]

LuberFiner is a Champ Labs built filter. Guts look like a Fram orange can. Date code looks like 08/08/2023.

 

[sw99]

Looks better than the Fl-820s filters I have seen. Thanks for the c&p.

 

[Sayjac]

When a see the name LuberFiner I think Champ Labs because for majority that the construction type they have been. This one Fram construction also from "First" Brands. I would think similar to or same as the Fram Core filter used at Walmart TLE/ACC. Also the basic Super Tech ST2 (820 equivalent) the same as linked below.*

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/st2-cut-open.394917/

LF looks ok at ~328 mi. as one would/should expect.
Thanks for c&p.

 

[GriffinB]

It takes a high level of wear and some historical used oil analysis on the engine to see trends in order to see if something is going wrong. A real major wear issue might be noticeable right off the bat if the wear metal levels are crazy high. used oil analysis only see particles that are 5u and less, so it takes major wear to see a red flag up tick in ppms because the majority of the wear particles in a bad wear situation are most likely greater than 5u and can't be detected in the used oil analysis.

In this case I did not have a trend to follow as the trend started out bad, but the guide on this site on how to understand a used oil analysis uses Ford 4.6s in the data set which had much much lower wear metals. Combine that with dnewton3 knowledge of these engines and he was able to tell me that a high concentration of Al on the used oil analysis of these engines is often a sign of the timing chain guide being worn through, and he was very right.