Lowering tire PSi ok in snow?

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Snow will be here before we know, also holidays. Last year, in the snow and with my S10 as well as Volvo 1, I had to lower tire pressure (let some air out) to get around hilly and slippery in snow terrain. Now, perhaps I need new tires and this practice was not normal.

So, the topic: Do you lower tire air pressure in the snow and ice? Does the regular pressure make the tires more like balloons in snow, even new?
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
There's no tires like snow tires.


I love High Performance All Season M + S!

My front axle is mismatched though...

31x10.5R15LT.
 
You should roll your new found riches into a dash camera before the first snow flies.
 
Well. Depends on your use of the car. If your driving verry slow on small roads. It is okay. But if your going to the freeway and drive 200 km/h.(many snowtires are rated for 210 km/h) Don.t do it.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
You should roll your new found riches into a dash camera before the first snow flies.


On it. Radio Shack has a Nikon L820 with faster shutter speed than the three models that came before it, as I have had one of each.. I get me a dash mount and nice big huge 64GB fast SD card or 32GB and I can film film film, I will edit up a movie.

Will wait for content, though.

As to the tires.. The back ones look either borderline or low, the fronts are meaty and one is darker, my front axle tires are mismatched the rears are matched and are Firestones??

My new-found riches are gonna put gas in it first, probably change the oil too, along with other tests so we can start to get a better picture about if that noise is engine or trans. I still have to do your trans deceleration/gear down test. I still think the school is split 70/30 that it is a trans component (70% in the other example) issue, instead of engine (30% on engine.) Probably where the trans meets the engine as it shifts fine and is not low on fluid. Not worried about changing pan on what works.. Maybe down the road can change it to one with a plug, however there are more pressing things to spend on at this time.

I put in some used oil as well as a LOT of fuel system cleaner, so the oil is black. I need a new reference point so I will get on that, as to Blazer mechanicals. I will keep that on that thread.
 
I was born and raised in Florida. My father was a citrus grower so I grew up driving in the soft sand of the ridge region of Central Florida, (south Lake County). We used to run anywhere from 15 to 18 psi in our rear tires so we wouldn't get stuck in the sand, (which we rarely did - and we never owned any four wheel drive vehicles). People that drove in the grove with full pressure would get stuck every time. The biggest mistake they made was once they started to bog down, they would floor the gas pedal which would dig a hole in seconds and bury them to the axle.

The reason I share this is because when I was 19, I moved to Nebraska and drove in snow for the first time. What I discovered is that driving in snow and driving in sand have a lot in common. Go slow, do not spin your tires and run low air pressure in rear tires.

Keep in mind this is for SLOW SPEEDS, (25-30 mph max) in deep snow conditions only - DO NOT run low air pressure all the time and do not go tooling down the interstate on low tire pressure or the results could be deadly, (i.e. blowout, roll-over, etc). But during a blizzard or heavy snowfall, I did the same thing I would do while driving in sand and never got stuck and I wasn't using snow tires either, (just plain ole radials). Once they've cleared the roads of snow or you've made it out of the snow, air tires to proper pressure.

Icy conditions however are a horse of an entirely different color.

P.S. I have no idea how this would work with low profile tires as I've never owned a set. I would imagine this would not work on low profile tires as the sidewalls have no room to "flare out" which is the entire idea behind reducing the air pressure in sandy conditions.
 
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Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
I was born and raised in Florida. My father was a citrus grower so I grew up driving in the soft sand of the ridge region of Central Florida, (south Lake County). We used to run anywhere from 15 to 18 psi in our rear tires so we wouldn't get stuck in the sand, (which we rarely did - and we never owned any four wheel drive vehicles). People that drove in the grove with full pressure would get stuck every time. The biggest mistake they made was once they started to bog down, they would floor the gas pedal which would dig a hole in seconds and bury them to the axle.

The reason I share this is because when I was 19, I moved to Nebraska and drove in snow for the first time. What I discovered is that driving in snow and driving in sand have a lot in common. Go slow, do not spin your tires and run low air pressure in rear tires.

Keep in mind this is for SLOW SPEEDS, (25-30 mph max) in deep snow conditions only - DO NOT run low air pressure all the time and do not go tooling down the interstate on low tire pressure or the results could be deadly, (i.e. blowout, roll-over, etc). But during a blizzard or heavy snowfall, I did the same thing I would do while driving in sand and never got stuck and I wasn't using snow tires either, (just plain ole radials). Once they've cleared the roads of snow or you've made it out of the snow, air tires to proper pressure.

Icy conditions however are a horse of an entirely different color.


Super informative, and I got a lot from this.

And don't you still have your 4.3, GeeCguy? I no longer have our Taurus.

And the comment mad, by a passenger, the one time I had a passenger, when the car was having minimal traction on fully-inflated balloon-like tires, yielding no improvement with 4WD engaged (!) due to then-bad front tires and the tire pressure being high.. the comment made to me, as I drove and had to do some imaginative and yes, UNSAFE, coasting to get up hills and avoid cars, even at slow speeds THAT IS HOW BAD IT WAS, was "You shouldnt have to let air out. If the tires were new and werent bad like these ones, you would not have to lower the tire pressure. I never had to." This statemenet was made by someone critical of the situation, understandably; the statement "I never had to lower tire pressure in the snow" was likely a lie intended to emphasize what was being said, and how do you feel about the "You shouldnt have to let air out. If the tires were new and werent bad like these ones, you would not have to lower the tire pressure." statement?

Needless to say, I was pushing for used tires to save money and be safe. The blazer then sat for a long time, driven in winter on bad tires for the times it did. The front tires are now replaced, mis-matched, and the rear Firestones are looking a little low on tread but still meaty, I will have to check again as I am bad at explaining things.

What do you think of the experience of driving in snowstorm where I let the tires down to 20PSI or so, they were at 40PSI or at least 36 previously... ? (NOW can you see why engaging 4WD didnt do much even though 4WD works perfectly.) .

And please, please, I beg you, keep this to the tires. I don't want to stoke drama flames. Thank you.

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P.S. I have no idea how this would work with low profile tires as I've never owned a set. I would imagine this would not work on low profile tires as the sidewalls have no room to "flare out" which is the entire idea behind reducing the air pressure in sandy conditions.


In this particular case, it is the opposite. I have 31x10.5R15LT tires. All 4.

Tire pic 1 (looking for more/better) -- This tire and the opposite have not been changed.
 
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Heh.. I need new tires.

Driver front: Goodyear Wrangler RT/S. I see cracks and low tread.

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Passenger front: Cooper. Low tread.

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Rear: "Bronco APS" or something. Low tread!

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I need tires. I can see why they all did poorly. I may have gotten away with them in the summer, but no inspection with these..
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Maybe some decent used matching sets different front/rear for this car, with some good tread? Low budget here.

And thread topic still stands, "It is normal to lower PSi in the snow."
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Do you have an old ball Blazer with no 4wd or it is broken?


It's push-button and the 4WD works. Electronic 4WD engagement, not like a 1991 I had with the actual shifter.
 
YIKES AND AWAY on those tires! Low pressure and highway speed is courting danger to say the least! If money is an issue, find a good set of used tires. If you have hard sidewalls, (six ply for example) lowering tire pressure will not work as the sidewalls will be too stiff to flex out. In your situation, I would be very wary of running low as heat and pressure will cause tires to split or belts to break. Get on Craigslist and search for a decent set of tires or hit your local used tire locations. Be sure to check when they were made, pass on anything over three years old.
 
Yeah that's definitely ready for new tires ... I wouldn't even think of driving on those here in Central NY!

Use the money from selling the Volvo to get a set of Goodyear Wrangler Radial tires ... they are only $75 a tire from walmart and come in 235/75-15. That would be much better than running around on bald 31x10.5s ...
 
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Yeah that's definitely ready for new tires ... I wouldn't even think of driving on those here in Central NY!


Im from Orange County, Monroe NY zip 10950 and this is how the predecessor Blazer (my father's) wore when handling all. Maybe had a dedicated snow tire set, but, Looove Upstate NY.

Hate when people think NY means NYC. It does, but................

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One more thing - stay away from those big truck tires. They may look cool but give poor performance for your vehicle, especially for what you're trying to do. When replacing your existing tires, you might be tempted to go with something "big and hairy" looking, but you won't be happy with the way they perform and it could be unsafe as well. Stay with the recommended size for your vehicle.

BTW - yes, I still have the "Luv" machine with the 4.3 V-6 and she's still hammering away. Also still have the Taurus which remains ever faithful.
 
Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
One more thing - stay away from those big truck tires. They may look cool but give poor performance for your vehicle, especially for what you're trying to do. When replacing your existing tires, you might be tempted to go with something "big and hairy" looking, but you won't be happy with the way they perform and it could be unsafe as well. Stay with the recommended size for your vehicle.

BTW - yes, I still have the "Luv" machine with the 4.3 V-6 and she's still hammering away. Also still have the Taurus which remains ever faithful.


Why do you have a funky "gas pail in the backseat" setup???
I have never heard of this??????????????
 
Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
One more thing - stay away from those big truck tires. They may look cool but give poor performance for your vehicle, especially for what you're trying to do. When replacing your existing tires, you might be tempted to go with something "big and hairy" looking, but you won't be happy with the way they perform and it could be unsafe as well. Stay with the recommended size for your vehicle.

BTW - yes, I still have the "Luv" machine with the 4.3 V-6 and she's still hammering away. Also still have the Taurus which remains ever faithful.


I am kinda stuck with that size due to my rims. 31" tires. I can look for used matching sets, one for each axle, inspecting tread and they check for leaks with the tire water bucket (they watch for bubbles.)

My 4WD works it just spun all 4 tires with how they were but you are right, larger tires impair snow and rain. I need good tread.. and also this affects my PSI question! Good answer for lower when slow.

Sounds like it is "normal" and my analysis was pretty accurate:

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And the comment made, (we were in a snowstorm and it was cold out) by a passenger, the one time I had a passenger, when the car was having minimal traction on fully-inflated balloon-like tires, yielding no improvement with 4WD engaged (!) due to then-bad front tires and the tire pressure being high.. the comment made to me, as I drove and had to do some imaginative and yes, UNSAFE, coasting to get up hills and avoid cars, even at slow speeds THAT IS HOW BAD IT WAS, was "You shouldnt have to let air out. If the tires were new and werent bad like these ones, you would not have to lower the tire pressure. I never had to." This statemenet was made by someone critical of the situation, understandably; the statement "I never had to lower tire pressure in the snow" was likely a lie intended to emphasize what was being said, and how do you feel about the "You shouldnt have to let air out. If the tires were new and werent bad like these ones, you would not have to lower the tire pressure." statement?

What do you think of the experience of driving in snowstorm where I let the tires down to 20PSI or so, they were at 40PSI or at least 36 previously... ? (NOW can you see why engaging 4WD didnt do much even though 4WD works perfectly.) .

And please, please, I beg you, keep this to the tires. I don't want to stoke drama flames. Thank you.
 
And yet in the towing thread you claimed your tires were fine? You were planning on towing a car with tires like those?
 
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