low saps oil

[Triple_Se7en]

Yesterday I purchased a new 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe with D.I. 2.4 engine. Are there any other low saps oil brands out there, other than the Hyundai/Kia dealer house brands, or Valvoline Modern Engine Synthetic?

I plan on a 5K OCI routine and realize low saps is just overkill protection. Just curious as to what else is out there in low saps.

 

[Boomer]

Castrol makes a low SAPS for the VW diesel engines. It is 5w30. Called Castrol Professional LL03, I believe.

 

[Patman]

Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is low SAPS but relatively hard to find (and expensive), another one that is easier to find would be Pennzoil Euro L 5w30 (which some Walmarts do stock, but even if they don't you can order it online from them, often for just under $23 for a 5 quart jug)

Congrats on your new purchase!

 

[KCJeep]

Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0w30 is low saps, and is actually stocked by some Advanced Auto Parts stores.

What kind of actual "specs" does your new ride require? The Euro L mentioned above is 5w30 and SN, the Euro LX 0w30 is a better oil IMO but last I knew Hyundai/KIA did not spec 0w anything.

 

[Danno]

Why the saps spec?
At that OCI, PP works great.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by Danno
Why the saps spec?
At that OCI, PP works great.


According to many here with Korean 2.4 direct injects, fuel dilution is something to watch for.
My new owners manual is MIA and I'm out the door right now to get it from the dealer. Supposedly the manual implies 5W/10W30 oil, depending on region and severe use. I have a few jugs of 0W40, but I might save them for the 3.5 GM Colorado.

The low saps gets mentioned more with the 2.4 Kia engines. Kia has their own low saps brand.Not sure if the low saps is being discussed with similar 2.4 engine Hyundai techs.

My future 5K OCI intentions are direct inject driven, for concern about fuel dilution. Many engines today are built to fight carbon - a serious concern regarding environment pollution across the globe. Consumers Energy is leading the charge to combat carbon emissions.

 

[Mainia]

If I were to guess, the OP knows Hyundai/Kia have simpleton/anemic oil specs and he wants better for his SUV.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Danno
Why the saps spec?
At that OCI, PP works great.


According to many here with Korean 2.4 direct injects, fuel dilution is something to watch for.
My new owners manual is MIA and I'm out the door right now to get it from the dealer. Supposedly the manual implies 5W/10W30 oil, depending on region and severe use. I have a few jugs of 0W40, but I might save them for the 3.5 GM Colorado.

The low saps gets mentioned more with the 2.4 Kia engines. Kia has their own low saps brand.Not sure if the low saps is being discussed with similar 2.4 engine Hyundai techs.

My future 5K OCI intentions are direct inject driven, for concern about fuel dilution. Many engines today are built to fight carbon - a serious concern regarding environment pollution across the globe. Consumers Energy is leading the charge to combat carbon emissions.

If fuel dilution is an issue you need heavier full SAPS oil.

 

[turnbowm]

A Dexos1 Gen2 synthetic 5W30 would be my call. If you want something more robust (HTHS = 3.5 min), a Dexos2/ACEA C3 synthetic 5W30 would get the job done.

 

[Danno]

Originally Posted by edyvw

If fuel dilution is an issue you need heavier full SAPS oil.

"If" is the key word, is the OP planning on doing UOA?
Another strategy to reduce fuel dilution issues is a more frequent OCI, say 3,000 miles and use something like Pennzoil Conventional 5w30.
In Canada, the required OCI is 3,750 miles.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by Danno
Originally Posted by edyvw

If fuel dilution is an issue you need heavier full SAPS oil.

"If" is the key word, is the OP planning on doing UOA?
Another strategy to reduce fuel dilution issues is a more frequent OCI, say 3,000 miles and use something like Pennzoil Conventional 5w30.
In Canada, the required OCI is 3,750 miles.



If an engine needs 3K OCI's it's not worth buying.

 

[Impatient]

Someone correct me if i'm Wrong:

Low SAPS is an environmental thing. Ironically, I don't think Low SAPS is as conducive to long OCI's as equivalent quality Full SAPS.

Full SAPS might allow longer OCI's and maybe better protection IN SOME CASES.

I'm discovering my own fuel dilution issues. Hard to juggle the LSPI concern, with fuel dilution concern, with engine longevity, with warranty requirements.

 

[burla]

Ravenol mid saps with CleanSynto group 3/esters/pao hths 3.5 for 5w30 (nice?) or Redline low saps 5w30 hths 3.6 pao/group 3.

You want help with fuel dilution, I'd be looking at high hths.

 

[Danno]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Danno
Originally Posted by edyvw

If fuel dilution is an issue you need heavier full SAPS oil.

"If" is the key word, is the OP planning on doing UOA?
Another strategy to reduce fuel dilution issues is a more frequent OCI, say 3,000 miles and use something like Pennzoil Conventional 5w30.
In Canada, the required OCI is 3,750 miles.

If an engine needs 3K OCI's it's not worth buying.

That would cover quite a few engines made, to be worth not buying, as most if not all cars driven in Canada fall under severe service category.

 

[turnbowm]

Originally Posted by Impatient
Someone correct me if i'm Wrong:

Low SAPS is an environmental thing. Ironically, I don't think Low SAPS is as conducive to long OCI's as equivalent quality Full SAPS.

Full SAPS might allow longer OCI's and maybe better protection IN SOME CASES.

I'm discovering my own fuel dilution issues. Hard to juggle the LSPI concern, with fuel dilution concern, with engine longevity, with warranty requirements.


For fuel dilution issues, use a heavier viscosity (grade) oil. For LSPI issues, use a Dexos1 Gen2/SN+ or Dexos2 synthetic oil. A low SAPS oil will reduce intake valve deposits but is not recommended for extended (>5000mi) OCIs. Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 or Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 checks all the boxes for normal (5000mi max.) OCIs and are quite robust (HTHS = 3.5min).

 

[Whimsey]

What is the definition of low saps oil? Is it 0.6 Sulfated Ash, wt/% or does 0.8 qualify also. I see some oils being 1.0 to 1.3 It seems that oil manufactures have to walk a "tight rope" in order to meet the necessities of a Turbo DI engine, especially smaller displacement engines that seem to be more prone to LSPI. And yet these oils are expected to safely meet the OLM's spec's. From my personal observations the "plain vanilla" Mobil 1 5w30 has a SA of 0.8, HTHS of 3.1, a viscosity of 11.0 and a NOAK of 10.1, while meeting Dexos 1 Gen 2 standards. I've been using this oil in our 2017 Explorer with the 2.3 Ecoboost and with OCI's up to 7,000 miles so far. The used oil analysis have been decent with some shearing of the viscosity but the wear metals in the oil are low and the TBN still has life left in it. Will I go to 10,000 mile OCI's, what the iOLM trends toward constantly, no. I feel comfortable to keep it in the 6,500-8,000 mile range according to the season based upon the used oil analysis I've done.

Whimsey

 

[dblshock]

it is confusing, seems a low SAPS means reduced zinc and phosphorous, but not always, look at Mobils line-up


Mobil low SAPS



If your after high SAPS for wear and low Ca for LSPI you'll probably upgrade into euro formulas...I've pretty much decided to do that til I see if GF-6 clears up this low/mid/high SAPS, SN+, D1G2 mumbo jumbo mess.