My 2012 Nissan Frontier 4.0L V6 uses Nissan filter 15208-9E01A which is tiny. I am sure the small filter is all the engine needs but with my power train warranty soon to be over I would like to start using a longer filter that has the same by-pass spec as OEM as well as same dia. and naturally thread pattern. Would any of you filter gurus know of a longer replacement filter for my application? Yes, I have done a search but have not come up with anything.
Longer oil Filter for Frontier 4.0L V6
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Did you find the thread pattern of your filter housing? If you have a problem getting that information, just google for an adapter for your motor to connect an external oil cooler. The specs for the adapter will tell you what the thread size and pitch of your mount is.
From there, it's a simple matter of getting the diameter correct (you could measure a filter) and as far as the bypass PSI, well, just make sure the filter has a bypass function. When oil is too thick due to low temperature or due to blockage the bypass should open, that is a fairly high PSI so almost any bypass will work. You might worry about the filter clogging but again if it's clogged almost any reasonable bypass PSI will be fine. So, I don't think that will stop you from a filter substitution.
If all that bothers you for some reason or you have some apprehension about the whole idea, you can just get the basic remote filter mount and the remote adapter for your motor, and use whatever common filter the remote mount uses. Typically you will have no problem using a North American V8 filter, like the one for a Small Block Chevy / V6 Chevy. The remote mount might be the best idea any way, since the filter you will end up using will presumably be longer, and may not fit the OEM location or may hang down too low to be comfortable.
From there, it's a simple matter of getting the diameter correct (you could measure a filter) and as far as the bypass PSI, well, just make sure the filter has a bypass function. When oil is too thick due to low temperature or due to blockage the bypass should open, that is a fairly high PSI so almost any bypass will work. You might worry about the filter clogging but again if it's clogged almost any reasonable bypass PSI will be fine. So, I don't think that will stop you from a filter substitution.
If all that bothers you for some reason or you have some apprehension about the whole idea, you can just get the basic remote filter mount and the remote adapter for your motor, and use whatever common filter the remote mount uses. Typically you will have no problem using a North American V8 filter, like the one for a Small Block Chevy / V6 Chevy. The remote mount might be the best idea any way, since the filter you will end up using will presumably be longer, and may not fit the OEM location or may hang down too low to be comfortable.
The filters have gotten smaller as the engines run a lot cleaner putting less crud in the oil. Also superior manufacturing processes for the engine.
I see no need.
I see no need.
I have the same V6 in my 2012 Pathfinder and I agree the filter seems small although I have used and cut open several different brands of filters and all seem just fine although small in size so I don't think it matters much esp when you consider the fact that Nissan has sold more than a million VQ40DE V6 motors from (05-2016) and counting and there are many with real high millage I don't think the small filter is much of an issue.
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Originally Posted By: Camprunner
I have the same V6 in my 2012 Pathfinder and I agree the filter seems small although I have used and cut open several different brands of filters and all seem just fine although small in size so I don't think it matters much esp when you consider the fact that Nissan has sold more than a million VQ40DE V6 motors from (05-2016) and counting and there are many with real high millage I don't think the small filter is much of an issue.
My mom drove a 2005 model of these trucks for 8 years until she passed. She didn't put many miles on it but I don't think it gave her any trouble. It was a very nice and simple vehicle, described her perfectly. Didn't have all the [censored] they have now. Amazing for a new body style it didn't have any problems, but I guess that's Nissan for you. Normally new models have tons of recalls and such.
I have the same V6 in my 2012 Pathfinder and I agree the filter seems small although I have used and cut open several different brands of filters and all seem just fine although small in size so I don't think it matters much esp when you consider the fact that Nissan has sold more than a million VQ40DE V6 motors from (05-2016) and counting and there are many with real high millage I don't think the small filter is much of an issue.
My mom drove a 2005 model of these trucks for 8 years until she passed. She didn't put many miles on it but I don't think it gave her any trouble. It was a very nice and simple vehicle, described her perfectly. Didn't have all the [censored] they have now. Amazing for a new body style it didn't have any problems, but I guess that's Nissan for you. Normally new models have tons of recalls and such.
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In this case it appears the 15208-9E01A is the 7317/14610/57356 equivalent. While perhaps not the longest or biggest filter, it is longer than the shorty 6607/14612 application which many Nissan's spec even though the longer 7317 will fit in most all cases. When first saw this post, thought maybe it was about the shorty.
The 7317 application is fairly common and generally speaking has decent amount of media area in the cellulose or blend filters. In the synthetic filters, they are also well suited to extended ocis in that size.
There may be a longer filter out there but I'm not aware of it. The 9688/3593A/14459 is somewhat bigger with same gasket size, but also wider so it requires greater diameter access. Even if it fits, don't think you'll gain much.
So I'd stick with 7317 size, thinking it will serve you well over the life of your Frontier.
The 7317 application is fairly common and generally speaking has decent amount of media area in the cellulose or blend filters. In the synthetic filters, they are also well suited to extended ocis in that size.
There may be a longer filter out there but I'm not aware of it. The 9688/3593A/14459 is somewhat bigger with same gasket size, but also wider so it requires greater diameter access. Even if it fits, don't think you'll gain much.
So I'd stick with 7317 size, thinking it will serve you well over the life of your Frontier.
Once you know the threads, gasket diameter and canister diameter, you can cross it up at any Napa Auto Parts house. They'll give you the filter book to look through in most cases. Then you can get the appropriate choice right there .. I suggest Napa Gold (WIX)
You gain some volume and some more media area which reduces resistance to flow when cold so the bypass will work less often. All good things for the same $$, so why not
You gain some volume and some more media area which reduces resistance to flow when cold so the bypass will work less often. All good things for the same $$, so why not
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The filters have gotten smaller as the engines run a lot cleaner putting less crud in the oil. Also superior manufacturing processes for the engine.
I see no need.
Agreed. I just don't see a reason, or anything to be gained.
The filters have gotten smaller as the engines run a lot cleaner putting less crud in the oil. Also superior manufacturing processes for the engine.
I see no need.
Agreed. I just don't see a reason, or anything to be gained.
If you have the room for this filter it would be larger
Baldwin B199 3"X 5 1/8"
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Baldwin B199 3"X 5 1/8"
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If you have the room for this filter it would be larger
Baldwin B199 3"X 5 1/8"....
If the Fram equivalent for the B199, the 2849A, has the same or very similar to gasket specs, OD 2.75", ID 2.47", then 'I'm' very skeptical the B199 would work for the OP with his query.
The OP's spec'd 7317 and equivalents using the Fram gasket specs show OD 2.48", ID 2.22" with a can OD of 2.69".
So, assuming the B199 spec are similar to/same as the Fram Xref to 2849A, and I don't see why it wouldn't be, doesn't 'appear' that filter would work for the OP.
As said, in this case I'd stick with 7317/14610/57356 size.
If you have the room for this filter it would be larger
Baldwin B199 3"X 5 1/8"....
If the Fram equivalent for the B199, the 2849A, has the same or very similar to gasket specs, OD 2.75", ID 2.47", then 'I'm' very skeptical the B199 would work for the OP with his query.
The OP's spec'd 7317 and equivalents using the Fram gasket specs show OD 2.48", ID 2.22" with a can OD of 2.69".
So, assuming the B199 spec are similar to/same as the Fram Xref to 2849A, and I don't see why it wouldn't be, doesn't 'appear' that filter would work for the OP.
As said, in this case I'd stick with 7317/14610/57356 size.
On all of my cars(Ford, Chevy, Honda) I can run filters wider and longer than stock and do so. The gasket on the filters can be a little larger or smaller than stock and still seal without any leakage. Now if where the filter meets the block is like my sons Honda('09 Civic) he can't use a wider than stock filter, no room.
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Yep, I can run a wider filter too on before 08 Accords/Civics too and have. The 9688/3593A/14459 is an example as noted in my first post here. However the gasket is approximately the same size as spec 7317/14610/57356 and can be used interchangeably. Later Accords and Civics as noted cannot run the wider filter, because of diameter restrictions with the engine block/sump.
Using the gasket specs referenced from Fram site the only way imo the noted Baldwin works is if the block sealing gasket diameter mesh point is significantly extended out beyond the spec 7317/6607 OD mesh point. Without seeing it can't say definitively it won't work. Just as noted, based on gasket spec differences alone, I'm skeptical that it can.
Using the gasket specs referenced from Fram site the only way imo the noted Baldwin works is if the block sealing gasket diameter mesh point is significantly extended out beyond the spec 7317/6607 OD mesh point. Without seeing it can't say definitively it won't work. Just as noted, based on gasket spec differences alone, I'm skeptical that it can.
Here are two filters I ran on my '06 S2000
The first one is the stock filter and the second one is the filter size I have used for over 100k miles(the Napa was given to me to open and show the car club)
The larger Baldwin filter also has a larger in diameter gasket but has never leaked or came loose even at my 8500 RPM redline.
When ever one uses a non stock size filter they should check everything before putting it on and check for leaks after they start the car.
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The first one is the stock filter and the second one is the filter size I have used for over 100k miles(the Napa was given to me to open and show the car club)
The larger Baldwin filter also has a larger in diameter gasket but has never leaked or came loose even at my 8500 RPM redline.
When ever one uses a non stock size filter they should check everything before putting it on and check for leaks after they start the car.
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Yes, I've seen those pictures several times before and am aware that the B7042 shown was used alternatively in an S2000 in place of the 9688/3593A size. So, obviously the B7042 filter works in that specific anecdote.
Using the Fram gasket specs for an equivalent that filter (which is not the B199 mentioned), the ID of that filter is 2.42", which is narrower than the recommended B199 spec ID of 2.48". So on the S2000 anecdote there must be enough gasket overlap from spec size combined with enough engine block gasket mesh area for it to work in that specific case.
Unfortunately too, unlike Fram, Baldwin does not list any gasket size information with it's online catalog, so without purchasing or seeing the filter it's impossible to know for sure if any non spec size will work. And as I'm not aware of them off shelf readily available, not able to compare specs definitively.
To the topic, it's possible depending on how wide the diameter of the block mesh area, the B199 could work. Using the only gasket spec information available though and/or without more information, it seems unlikely to me at this point. Perhaps you have or can provide more Baldwin sealing gasket spec information combined with specific the OP Frontier mounting area information to show that the B199 will definitively work for the OP before purchase.
Using the Fram gasket specs for an equivalent that filter (which is not the B199 mentioned), the ID of that filter is 2.42", which is narrower than the recommended B199 spec ID of 2.48". So on the S2000 anecdote there must be enough gasket overlap from spec size combined with enough engine block gasket mesh area for it to work in that specific case.
Unfortunately too, unlike Fram, Baldwin does not list any gasket size information with it's online catalog, so without purchasing or seeing the filter it's impossible to know for sure if any non spec size will work. And as I'm not aware of them off shelf readily available, not able to compare specs definitively.
To the topic, it's possible depending on how wide the diameter of the block mesh area, the B199 could work. Using the only gasket spec information available though and/or without more information, it seems unlikely to me at this point. Perhaps you have or can provide more Baldwin sealing gasket spec information combined with specific the OP Frontier mounting area information to show that the B199 will definitively work for the OP before purchase.
Note that the Baldwin and Hastings sites do list oversized examples, and undersized ones, where applicable. That's where I'd start. If the Wix 51358 is your specified filter, the 57356 (or even the 51356) will work, too, assuming my memory hasn't failed me.
reviving an older post i am hoping to find a lot bigger filter for my new to me 2011 nissan frontier 4.0 + was thinking about a remote mount, but theres plenty of room in the stock location. i would like to use a bigger purolator boss or wix XP or similar filter with all synthetic media, but NO fram!! Amsoil would be good except its $$$
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i would like to use a bigger purolator boss or wix XP or similar filter with all synthetic media, but NO fram!!
Guess you haven't been keeping up on the Ultra along with those other full synthetic filters for the last 2+ years.
i would like to use a bigger purolator boss or wix XP or similar filter with all synthetic media, but NO fram!!
Guess you haven't been keeping up on the Ultra along with those other full synthetic filters for the last 2+ years.
Originally Posted By: benjy
reviving an older post i am hoping to find a lot bigger filter for my new to me 2011 nissan frontier 4.0 + was thinking about a remote mount, but theres plenty of room in the stock location. i would like to use a bigger purolator boss or wix XP or similar filter with all synthetic media, but NO fram!! Amsoil would be good except its $$$
What problem are you trying to solve by going over sized? Those 4.0 Nissan V-6 engines are easily 300K+ mile engines with regular service.
reviving an older post i am hoping to find a lot bigger filter for my new to me 2011 nissan frontier 4.0 + was thinking about a remote mount, but theres plenty of room in the stock location. i would like to use a bigger purolator boss or wix XP or similar filter with all synthetic media, but NO fram!! Amsoil would be good except its $$$
What problem are you trying to solve by going over sized? Those 4.0 Nissan V-6 engines are easily 300K+ mile engines with regular service.
just looking for a bigger better filter that filters better longer!! my motorcycles use similar filters + think a 4.0L should have a larger filter!!! my aunts very nice 1999 jeep cherokee 4.0 has a filter twice the size + 6 qts of oil + puts out less power, manufacturers are cheaping out any way they can IMO!!!!
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