One hand shooting with limp wrist limp arm. 50 rounds zero problems. this pistol is the real deal.
Limp Wristing My LCP MAX
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No its not a fairy tale
I don't think it's a myth. I've seen it.
Next door neighbor, a young lady, had purchased a Glock 42 (.380 ACP). She told me that it jammed often.
We went to the range - and it did jam when she shot it. She didn't have a very good grip.
I put 50+ rounds through it. Zero malfunctions.
We worked on her grip, and it cleared up for her as well. Not a bad gun, just badly operated.
So, call it "limp wrist" or bad grip, or poor gun control, the fact is that a poor grip on some semi-auto firearms can cause them to cycle improperly.
Untrained shooter.
Precisely.
Agreed. She was untrained, or, at least, poorly trained - but I think we're quibbling over terminology here. "limp wristing" vs. "untrained shooter" - the point is: failing to hold the pistol correctly can lead to malfunctions.
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Not really. Depending on the pistol, RSA weight, and ammo you can absolutely cause a malfunction by limp-wristing. Some pistols/ammo/setups are just more prone to it; ie usually lightweight polymer framed pistols like a Glock or SD9
I've seen it and done it both intentionally and unintentionally. It is physics; not a fairy tale
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Indeed it is. The gun malfunctions because there is something wrong with it or if the shooter either intentionally or unintentionally interferes with the slide, not because of strength or weakness of how it is held.
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While those things can and do also cause malfunctions, a person can absolutely also cause a malfunction by limp-wristing. I have even demonstrated this exact phenomenon to a friend who was asking about it some time ago and when teaching my wife to shoot.
Essentially, as a round is fired from a pistol the energy pushes the slide back and the RSA (spring) compresses as a result. If the frame is moving back (from limp wristing or a loose hold) the RSA cannot fully compress and the slide cannot fully move back which causes a malfunction to occur. (FTE or FTF depending on the stroke)
This frame movement usually occurs on lightweight polymer pistols and not every pistol/spring weight is susceptible to it. Glock is more susceptible than some other designs as it is polymer framed and the spring is designed for hot 124gr ball ammo rather than watered down 115 gr ammo that is so common for shooters to use.
Metal frame guns don't generally have this issue due to weight, though the exact same malfunction will occur if the recoil spring weight is too 'heavy' for the exact same reasons. (meaning; the recoil spring doesn't fully compress and the the slide doesn't move all the way back and the pistol short strokes causing a FTF or FTE).
Newtonian Physics can clearly illustrate this effect.
Yes. It is real
Yes. I can demonstrate this quite easily as can any other shooter
Yes. If a person wanted to they could work out the exact physics and math on this down to a gnat's butt.
No. Not every pistol/recoil spring assembly configuration is as sensitive to this.
No. It is not a fairy tale.
Sorry bud, you are just incorrect on this.
Cheers and happy shooting.
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Sorry bud. You are just incorrect on this. It's a fairy tale. It's the fodder of hyper opinionated folks that like to sound like subject matter experts and are anything/everything but.
Yep. I saw the same thing in a Gunsite class a few years ago. Some pistols are more prone to this than others.
The physics behind it has to do with a weak grip absorbing some of the recoil energy, which can prevent the slide from coming all the way back with enough force to eject the empty shell and chamber the new one. Often called a "stovepipe" malfunction.
Sounds like you are the only one here that is hyper opinionated here. And most of us know nothing (really) about others on this board. So when I say that I have at least a dozen instructors, I claim to be very knowledgeable.- not necessarily a SME. So like others here have said: you are wrong. But I digress.
Thats why it blows my mind that this little firearm can be limp wristed, limp armed and at the same time one handed. To me this is an ideal firearm for a petite person (woman)
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These people 'prove' the earth is flat on YouTube. What's your point?
Also, your link states limp wristing is real but then states it is a failure of that firearm even though the problem goes away with a firm grip. In other words, limp wristing is real and some pistols/designs are more susceptible to it.
And here is a slow motion play of a limp wrist
and the same guy demonstrating it at will
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No. Categorically incorrect.
That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while. Why would anyone feel the need to actually prove that the earth is flat?
And, OP, thanks for the post. Pocket pistols have designs and potential usage scenarios that make them particularly prone to limp wristing. And it being a weak azz .380 will likely necessitate followup shots
Good to know that the LCP Max is fairly immune to grip-related failures.Similar threads
