Lake Mead water level video

[mitsuman47]

Desalination plants are a great idea and will eventually become part of the mix. Takes a lot of power to run them. They will have to decide between power for the plants or data centers.

If Cali uses the power for desalination plants, it will cause climate change.

If they use the same power to run the data centers, it does not cause climate change.

And, we can’t have any of that climate change. So, they get data centers.

It’s actually pretty simple math.

 

[4wd]

And many will say no nuclear power options just use wind and solar but make everything electric. NY city banned the use of fossil fuels in new construction. Many details on how many story building and other but they want to roll to all of NY state. Lawsuits of course in process.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/us/new-york-natural-gas-ban-climate

Took a new backroad behind some wind turbines yesterday - think they are +/- 7 years old and the oil leaks are halfway down the blades …

 

[4wd]

If Cali uses the power for desalination plants, it will cause climate change.

If they use the same power to run the data centers, it does not cause climate change.

And, we can’t have any of that climate change. So, they get data centers.

It’s actually pretty simple math.

I can that

 

[Dave Hess]

Looks like there isn't any water to demand!

I wonder how bad it will be in 5 years.

I was thinking about moving to Vegas a decade ago.

 

[2005jettatdi]

The surrounding states need to stop California from solving California problems by raping the neighbors.

Let me explain this. The Colorado River flows out of multiple states; Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, Utah and Arizona. California's border includes a stretch of the Colorado. However, the amount of water flowing from California into the Colorado River is very close to none since the border is entirely desert and mostly an immediate mountain range. Therefore, California owns as much Colorado River water as they want to take. Any questions?

 

[mitsuman47]

Took a new backroad behind some wind turbines yesterday - think they are +/- 7 years old and the oil leaks are halfway down the blades …

Everything has to be a thick v thin thread around here.

 

[CleanSump]

Let me explain this. The Colorado River flows out of multiple states; Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, Utah and Arizona. California's border includes a stretch of the Colorado. However, the amount of water flowing from California into the Colorado River is very close to none since the border is entirely desert and mostly an immediate mountain range. Therefore, California owns as much Colorado River water as they want to take. Any questions?

No questions because it's still a disgrace. The answer is the fake green hypocrites in California. There is no excuse for what they are doing. Any questions?

 

[svtrit]

Took a new backroad behind some wind turbines yesterday - think they are +/- 7 years old and the oil leaks are halfway down the blades …

Same here in Iowa. It would take a lot of oil to paint the pedestals the stain of oil they have today. Some are worse than others.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

How about they cut California off and make them build bigger desalination plants? It isn't new and unproven technology. Gosh, there's smart people who figured out how to get Mexico's poop out of the water in the 19th century.

If the U.S. had built 1000 nuclear reactors across the country like the Nixon admin originally proposed, 100% of the fresh water used in the U.S. could have been made for pennies on the million gallons. Instead, they created the NRC to essentially kill cheap, endless, carbon-neutral electricity 6 decades ago.

It’s almost like JP Morgan himself had a hand in keeping things expensive…

 

[SC Maintenance]

The Colorado river accords of 1922 - which allocates the water by state - was based on faulty data. It was both poorly measured - they only had a few stream gauges at the time, and it was one of the wettest times on record before or since.

The total average since that time is 12% less and over the last 30 years is 25% less. The simple solution is that the states need to drop there allotted amount by those percentages and adjust them by year based on snow pack. Of course the politics between the states make this impossible.

The reservoirs will fill up again some day, just no one alive now will likely be there to see it.

This article covers it if interested, but essentially it says what I wrote above.

https://eos.org/features/fixing-the-flawed-colorado-river-compact

 

[Dave Hess]

If the U.S. had built 1000 nuclear reactors across the country like the Nixon admin originally proposed, 100% of the fresh water used in the U.S. could have been made for pennies on the million gallons. Instead, they created the NRC to essentially kill cheap, endless, carbon-neutral electricity 6 decades ago.

It’s almost like JP Morgan himself had a hand in keeping things expensive…

JP Morgan would be very impressed at what’s currently happening……

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

If Cali uses the power for desalination plants, it will cause climate change.

If they use the same power to run the data centers, it does not cause climate change.

And, we can’t have any of that climate change. So, they get data centers.

It’s actually pretty simple math.

California isn't campaigning for data centers.

No questions because it's still a disgrace. The answer is the fake green hypocrites in California. There is no excuse for what they are doing. Any questions?

What are you talking about?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

There are multiple causes of this;

1. There is no control over how much water Las Vegas pumps out.
2. There is no control over how much water California pumps out.
3. Upriver, every little tributary has been dammed for irrigation of crops, mostly hay. So less water reaches Lake Powell.
4. Drought.
5. Water still needs to reach the Sea of Cortez.
6. Arizona farmers get too much water.

The solution is very simple. Just stop pumping out more water than comes in.

The biggest problem is that water flows were based off an uncharacteristically wet period of time. What we consider as drought conditions today is actually normal.

Las Vegas recycles over 70% of its water back into Lake Mead so they're not really the problem.
https://www.casino.org/news/vegas-myths-busted-the-strip-consumes-most-of-nevadas-water/

What many forget is that power generation is the larger concern because Lake Mead water levels impact head pressure which determines how many generators can be run at Hoover Dam. The grid will collapse long before the area runs out of water.

 

[SC Maintenance]

If the U.S. had built 1000 nuclear reactors across the country like the Nixon admin originally proposed, 100% of the fresh water used in the U.S. could have been made for pennies on the million gallons. Instead, they created the NRC to essentially kill cheap, endless, carbon-neutral electricity 6 decades ago.

It’s almost like JP Morgan himself had a hand in keeping things expensive…

We have a surplus of fresh water in the USA. Its just East of the Mississippi. Majority of Colorado river water goes to agriculture, to grow extremely water needy crops like Cotton, because the farmers water is subsidized by "water rights".

Just return to growing crops in the Southeast - solves all the problems.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

We have a surplus of fresh water in the USA. Its just East of the Mississippi. Majority of Colorado river water goes to agriculture, to grow extremely water needy crops like Cotton, because the farmers water is subsidized by "water rights".

Just return to growing crops in the Southeast - solves all the problems.

Yep. The problem is capital. How do you compensate residents for the capital they've invested so they can move elsewhere. I was reading a story about New Orleans and Louisiana where scientists are saying that the city needs to begin relocating residents starting now.

With regards to Louisiana upstream flood control which provides water for the petro-chemical industry along the Mississippi River is causing the bottom half of the state to sink into the Gulf of Mexico. The entire state from I-10 south may need to be abandoned but where do you send all the people?

 

[2005jettatdi]

Las Vegas recycles over 70% of its water back into Lake Mead so they're not really the problem.
https://www.casino.org/news/vegas-myths-busted-the-strip-consumes-most-of-nevadas-water/

The way you say that, it comes across as if you actually believe it. First of all, the article is casino industry propaganda from casino.org. Next, according to the article, the 70% figure is specifically for the casinos. The casinos are not nearly as big a problem as the uncontrolled growth.

I do not in any way wish to say Las Vegas is the only problem. California is the biggest problem, but not he only problem. Someone suggested the water draw be cut by 30% across the board. That is more like it.

Kingman gave up its rights to Colorado River water decades ago. We subsist on well water, which is being depleted by new farms. Arizona gives priority for water to farms and mines. That law needs to be changed. But then, Arizona also has uncontrolled population growth.

 

[2005jettatdi]

For those suggesting pumping water from another river. It probably makes more sense to steal it the Columbia River. That will go over well.

 

[Pew]

Back in the 80's I think Ross Perot wanted to build a pipeline from the Mississippi river to lake Mead, or somewhere out west.
Turns out that would have been a great idea.

Nestle already does that. Due to certain treaties, only states surrounding the lakes are able to use them as a water source. But companies like Nestle can come in and take as much as they want and sell them to different regions.

Edit: on that note I would never take water from the Mississippi River if given an option. The contamination from decades of factory discharge is immense. This is why Chicago has their water intake located far off shore in Lake Michigan.

The biggest problem is that water flows were based off an uncharacteristically wet period of time. What we consider as drought conditions today is actually normal.

Las Vegas recycles over 70% of its water back into Lake Mead so they're not really the problem.
https://www.casino.org/news/vegas-myths-busted-the-strip-consumes-most-of-nevadas-water/

What many forget is that power generation is the larger concern because Lake Mead water levels impact head pressure which determines how many generators can be run at Hoover Dam. The grid will collapse long before the area runs out of water.

From the South Nevada Water Authority: Approximately 40 percent of the water in the Water Authority's service area is used indoors. Of that, about 99 percent is recycled, either for direct or indirect use. The problem this does not address is the water used outdoors which is not recycled which we can assume is the other 60%.

 

[Snagglefoot]

For those suggesting pumping water from another river. It probably makes more sense to steal it the Columbia River. That will go over well.

Trivia. The source of the Mighty Columbia River is down the road a bit from my place, at Columbia Lake in SE British Columbia.

 

[Dave Hess]

The way you say that, it comes across as if you actually believe it. First of all, the article is casino industry propaganda from casino.org. Next, according to the article, the 70% figure is specifically for the casinos. The casinos are not nearly as big a problem as the uncontrolled growth.

I do not in any way wish to say Las Vegas is the only problem. California is the biggest problem, but not he only problem. Someone suggested the water draw be cut by 30% across the board. That is more like it.

Kingman gave up its rights to Colorado River water decades ago. We subsist on well water, which is being depleted by new farms. Arizona gives priority for water to farms and mines. That law needs to be changed. But then, Arizona also has uncontrolled population growth.

What happens when well water starts drying up ?