King Air sticks the landing…..

[Astro14]

No King Air I've flown had the propensity to go for a hanger roof... Can't wait to hear how that mess happened.

Engine out work...

Flying right at VMC.

They never did line up with centerline. Reckon this was a control problem while practicing/training Single Engine approach and landing.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

73 year old pilot.

That’s all I need to know when I see a plane on a hangar roof.

Very easy aircraft to fly.

 

[Astro14]

73 year old pilot.

That’s all I need to know when I see a plane on a hangar roof.

Very easy aircraft to fly.

It wasn’t a single pilot flying, however, there was a second pilot, and it appears to have been flight instruction.

There is a lot more going on here than that one pilot’s age.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

It wasn’t a single pilot flying, however, there was a second pilot, and it appears to have been flight instruction.

There is a lot more going on here than that one pilot’s age.

How old was the instructor?

I don’t agree.

Let me know when you find out what caused the crash.

I guess you feel mandatory age 65 airline pilot is ageism.

 

[y_p_w]

Here’s the airport during a happier time during the 2021 KC Airshow.

 

[billt460]

73 year old pilot.

That’s all I need to know when I see a plane on a hangar roof.

Very easy aircraft to fly.

Have you ever heard of Bob Hoover?

 

[MrJayhawk]

How old was the instructor?

I don’t agree.

Let me know when you find out what caused the crash.

I guess you feel mandatory age 65 airline pilot is ageism.

A few more details:

The pilot, a 73-year-old Lee’s Summit man, complained of pain and was taken to an area hospital with a possible injury, officials said. A passenger, a 30-year-old woman from Arkansas, was also taken to an area hospital with a suspected minor injury.

The FAA said the plane – a Beechcraft E-90 airplane (registration N1UC)

 

[wwillson]

Have you ever heard of Bob Hoover?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover

I saw him fly in 1993 when he was 71. His show is the most amazing demonstration of energy management I've ever seen. He stopped performing in 1999 at 77. He was capable of flying at that age, but not everyone is.

 

[billt460]

For the record I'm 72. Two weeks ago I went to my cardiologist for my once a year, "evaluation", after taking a slew of yearly tests. He told, and showed me that all of my results, EKG, Ultrasound, blood pressure, cholesterol, Echocardiogram, etc. were all excellent.

We talked a bit, and I asked him how I stacked up, compared to many of his other patients, on a, "1 to 10 scale". He laughed and gave me a "10". He said, "I've got 30 and 40 year olds under my care that are in far worse shape than you. I sometimes wonder if they'll make it to their next exam".

The bottom line, using age to gauge one's overall health, is a bit like saying everyone that doesn't go to church is dishonest. Especially today when so many young people lack exercise, and have so much processed crap in their diet.

One of the biggest health issues facing today's youth is obesity. I see it every time I drive by the school bus stop in the morning on my way to town. Half the kids there are vastly overweight, and should be walking to school.

Diabetes is a major issue in the health of today's youth. It is increasing in record numbers. My guess is the overall health of people in this country, (especially the youth), is going to get far worse, before it gets any better.

The increase in life expectancy today, is mostly due to the advances in new drugs, along with modern medical procedures. For example, many cancers and cardiovascular problems today are treatable, that not long ago were basically a death sentence. This in spite of poor diet, lousy food, along with the lack of any exercise trying to drag it down.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover

I saw him fly in 1993 when he was 71. His show is the most amazing demonstration of energy management I've ever seen. He stopped performing in 1999 at 77. He was capable of flying at that age, but not everyone is.

Totally agree. I have seen him perform before.

I have around 5000 hours Captain time on the King Air 100/200 and did A LOT of training , it’s a very easy aircraft to fly, even on one engine.

I used to fly with an older pilot and ( 75 ) and you could see he was losing his edge despite a lot of experience ( he used to only want to fly with me to keep an eye on him ).

Juan Browne is the person who mentioned his age and he doesn’t normally mention pilots age.

If people think it’s inappropriate, take his video down since he mentioned it.

Meanwhile, I have to retire in 5 years ( if I am still alive or keep a medical ) at age 65 , even if I went back FO and fly with younger Captains, because they don’t think it’s safe after 65 as a general rule despite pilots having to prove medical fitness ( every 6 months over 60 in Canada ) and proficiency in the simulator.

Anyone ( some pilots have tried it ) claiming ageism and complaining to the human rights won’t change that rule, they already tried.

You can be a neurosurgeon ( or any doctor , specialist ) in Canada with no retirement age but airline pilots are the only group ( ATC as well ) I am aware of that are told you too old to fly once they reach a certain age ( civilians ).

It’s just my opinion that pilots are not nearly as safe when they get significantly older and that will apply to me as well.

You have to be sharp to do training , especially in a real aircraft.

 

[4WD]

We had a 73 year old pilot crash and die not far from here - however he was a crop duster and the power lines did not have the proper markings …
Thus guy was still one of the best local golfers too …

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Bob Hoover:

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avi...ee_types/ame/fasmb/media/199501_editorial.pdf

 

[Astro14]

I don’t have any problem with people speculating about the cause of aircraft accidents as long as it’s respectful and pilots aren’t getting blamed without any verifiable data.

Age is only one data point, among literally hundreds, that should be considered.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Have you ever heard of Bob Hoover?

One thing I notice about this forum is that too many people don’t properly read what people said.

What did I already say about Bob Hoover?

Have you ever heard about mandatory age 65 retirement age for airline pilots even if they are a first officer.

Are you a pilot also.

Flying is not just about being able to pass a medical.

Edit: typos.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

A few more details:

The pilot, a 73-year-old Lee’s Summit man, complained of pain and was taken to an area hospital with a possible injury, officials said. A passenger, a 30-year-old woman from Arkansas, was also taken to an area hospital with a suspected minor injury.

The FAA said the plane – a Beechcraft E-90 airplane (registration N1UC)

Aircraft was light since it had only two pilots so even if you don’t feather the engine , you should be able to fly safely on one engine, especially landing ( if it’s not feathered ). It won’t climb if it’s not feathered.

I used to do lots of SE training on King Airs and we didn’t even feather the throttled back engine on final ( auto feather won’t help on final with lower power ).

 

[billt460]

Have you ever heard about mandatory age 65 retirement age for airline pilots even if they are a first officer.

Yes, but I don't necessarily agree with it, simply because there are too many other factors that govern health and ability besides age.

As I pointed out in my previous post, you have people in their 70's who are healthier than many 50 year olds.

It takes a lot of years and flying hours to get into the left seat of a commercial wide body airliner. It's not like an office position that you can achieve because someone in your department likes you, or because you have succeeded in applying the, "Peter Principal".

I see no reason that a pilot, (Captain), at the age of 65, cannot keep flying if he passes a battery of comprehensive medical tests.

And be similarly evaluated on a yearly basis after that. If we can have a President in his late 70's, I see no reason why we can't have the same flying 250 people from New York to L.A..... Safely. Especially if he has a "Vice President" sitting right next to him.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Yes, but I don't necessarily agree with it, simply because there are too many other factors that govern health and ability besides age.

As I pointed out in my previous post, you have people in their 70's who are healthier than many 50 year olds.

It takes a lot of years and flying hours to get into the left seat of a commercial wide body airliner. It's not like an office position that you can achieve because someone in your department likes you, or because you have succeeded in applying the, "Peter Principal".

I see no reason that a pilot, (Captain), at the age of 65, cannot keep flying if he passes a battery of comprehensive medical tests.

And be similarly evaluated on a yearly basis after that. If we can have a President in his late 70's, I see no reason why we can't have the same flying 250 people from New York to L.A..... Safely. Especially if he has a "Vice President" sitting right next to him.

But it’s not what you think, it’s how regulatory agencies ( Transport Canada , etc ) feel about pilots flying past 65 ( and ATC whatever their retirement age is ). We already have to jump through multiple hoops every year to prove we are fit/competent to fly but, so far, they say age 65 is the limit. They won’t even allow me to go back as an FO and fly with a 30 year Captain once I hit age 65.

I am not a medical expert but they must feel justified discriminating against pilots forcing us to retire at 65.

Airlines have a lot more inexperienced first officers in the cockpit at times today so I wouldn’t feel things would be safe just because they are young and flying in an environment with no retirement age and a Captain is 77 years old.

I can almost guarantee you that I won’t be nearly as sharp as I am now at age 60 versus if I was allowed to fly to 73. Would I be safe enough, who knows. But I wouldn’t be as sharp and have the same reflexes. Flying is not like driving a car.

I wish I could respond to your last paragraph but it’s probably considered political even though it’s not but try and imagine my response.

 

[billt460]

I'm not saying you're "wrong" per say. The rules are as they are. And I would like to think they're made by people smarter than us.

But personally if I am boarding a plane, and glance into the cockpit as I'm doing so, I'm going to feel more comfortable seeing a bit of grey hair on the guy in the left seat. And not some kid with pimples, who can jog 3 miles and do more pushups.

And yes, I'm exaggerating to make a point.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

I'm not saying you're "wrong" per say. The rules are as they are. And I would like to think they're made by people smarter than us.

But personally if I am boarding a plane, and glance into the cockpit as I'm doing so, I'm going to feel more comfortable seeing a bit of grey hair on the guy in the left seat. And not some kid with pimples who can do more pushups.

Sorry to disappoint you, I have a full head of…… natural Brown hair.

But, I used to have severe acne as a kid ( why I look so young…… no grey hair and oily skin )

I can do a lot of pushups still.

 

[billt460]

All this brings to mind Carlos Dardano. Who managed to land a 737 full of people dead stick, on a muddy levee, in bad weather...... With only one eye.

So many things to consider besides age. And if I am not mistaken, he was forced into retirement not long ago. (I think he just turned 66).