King Air sticks the landing…..

[y_p_w]

….right on the roof of a hangar in Olathe, Kansas.

https://www.olathereporter.com/coun...cle_bb74430c-8025-4b22-945f-52da09c9d2f3.html

 

[dkryan]

“Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing………….”

 

[dkryan]

That King Air could have just as easily “landed” IN the hangar as opposed to ON the hangar roof.

 

[wwillson]

No King Air I've flown had the propensity to go for a hanger roof... Can't wait to hear how that mess happened.

 

[MrJayhawk]

No King Air I've flown had the propensity to go for a hanger roof... Can't wait to hear how that mess happened.

A mechanical malfunction led to a plane crash landing on the roof of a hangar at the New Century AirCenter in Johnson County Monday, law enforcement said. A National Transportation Safety Board spokesman said the plane was damaged while approaching a runway.

The aircraft was flying south when a malfunction caused the left engine to become inoperable, a Kansas Highway Patrol crash report said. The pilot lost control of the plane while turning left and crashed into the building, the report said.

Peter Knudson, a spokesman for the NTSB, which is investigating the incident, said the plane was damaged while approaching an attempted landing on the airport’s Runway 18.

 

[4WD]

I recall charters in those and the 1900 - nice planes …

 

[Kira]

Did it hit the building's corner while flying upwards then do an "almost 180" and settle atop it?
No fire, no deaths make it almost funny. I know it's not.

 

[tcp71]

Used to fly on those to/from Peace River with Norther Air Charter monthly. C90 I think. I remember one fun return in the middle of a snowstorm in the dead of winter. -30C outside and I swear the pilot came in sideways and half flipped over landing in Calgary with no visibility and gale force winds. He seemed to enjoy it. I did not.

 

[y_p_w]

Did it hit the building's corner while flying upwards then do an "almost 180" and settle atop it?
No fire, no deaths make it almost funny. I know it's not.

Looks like the hangar absorbed the impact like a crumple zone in a car. Not sure what the material is, but it could be steel or aluminum alloy.

Sure, it’s easy to joke about this when nobody was seriously injured and the results are just so bizarre. Some are joking about maybe leaving it up on the roof as a sight gag. Reminds me of a restaurant I’d been to where part of it was an old turboprop laid out as if it had crash landed and the rest of the restaurant was built around it.

 

[Kira]

Years ago, I was shown an intact airplane parked at the edge of a Long Island shopping mall parking lot.
It was called "Fly by Night Audio"....for how long, I do not know.

 

[y_p_w]

Here’s the place I remember.

There was an actual plane sticking out of a corrugated metal building.

 

[billt460]

The aircraft was flying south when a malfunction caused the left engine to become inoperable, a Kansas Highway Patrol crash report said. The pilot lost control of the plane while turning left and crashed.......

Left engine died, and he turned into the dead engine.... Most likely at low airspeed and altitude.

"The pilot lost control of the plane while turning left".

It could have been a lot worse.

 

[wwillson]

Left engine died, and he turned into the dead engine.... Most likely at low airspeed and altitude.

"The pilot lost control of the plane while turning left".

You live or die by Vmc. The torque from the running engine will overcome the rudder below Vmc and the airplane will experience uncontrolled yaw. At that point it's over.

 

[fdcg27]

You live or die by Vmc. The torque from the running engine will overcome the rudder below Vmc and the airplane will experience uncontrolled yaw. At that point it's over.

Well, the twin pilot does always have the option of pulling back the good engine if he gets down to VMC and can't pitch down to increase airspeed but he's then flying a not very good glider, although at least under control and a controlled crash off airport is usually survivable, while a fully developed loss of control due to operating below VMC with one turning and one burning won't be.

 

[I<3oil]

Hey! Can’t park there

 

[wwillson]

Well, the twin pilot does always have the option of pulling back the good engine if he gets down to VMC and can't pitch down to increase airspeed but he's then flying a not very good glider, although at least under control and a controlled crash off airport is usually survivable, while a fully developed loss of control due to operating below VMC with one turning and one burning won't be.

When @Astro14 and I failed an engine at max gross weight at rotation on the 767-400, you have to have all of the power from the operating engine to climb at 100 fpm. There is no option other than to climb, but you'd better be very proficient at single-engine flying, else you will get slow. I was shocked at how easy it would be to get slow and lose control. When you lose control at 100' above the ground, there are no options.

 

[Brons2]

You live or die by Vmc. The torque from the running engine will overcome the rudder below Vmc and the airplane will experience uncontrolled yaw. At that point it's over.

I would think a turbine twin would not have as much difficulty staying above Vmc as some of the piston twins do. The joke on some of the early Piper/Cessna twins was that the 2nd engine will fly you to the scene of the crash.

 

[Brons2]

When @Astro14 and I failed an engine at max gross weight at rotation on the 767-400, you have to have all of the power from the operating engine to climb at 100 fpm. There is no option other than to climb, but you'd better be very proficient at single-engine flying, else you will get slow. I was shocked at how easy it would be to get slow and lose control. When you lose control at 100' above the ground, there are no options.

Gosh on a transport category aircraft? That's pretty surprising that it's that bad. What is the relevant certification metric? You almost certainly cannot operate a 764 out of any hot and/or high airport at anything approaching MGTOW. No wonder the A332 boat raced the 764 in the marketplace.

Tree height at the end of the runway at IAH could be a relevant metric with engine failure past V1 on a 764? What is the longest sector operated with the 764 out of IAH in the summertime?

 

[wwillson]

I would think a turbine twin would not have as much difficulty staying above Vmc as some of the piston twins do. The joke on some of the early Piper/Cessna twins was that the 2nd engine will fly you to the scene of the crash.

If you look at the performance charts on many piston twins, there is a large area at heavy weights and high density altitudes that you cannot maintain level flight on one engine.

If the pilot of a turbine twin isn't proficient at single engine operation, they will too get themselves in trouble. They may have a better looking performance chart, but that's only part of the story.

 

[fdcg27]

I dunno, the 767 seems good enough that it's a favorite with the package freight haulers and Fedex and UPS are taking delivery of the last new builds even now, with every decent retired 767 airliner a prime candidate for freighter conversion as well. The -400 was offered to meet the desires of two airlines, Delta and Continental and failed to reach a wider audience and the A330-200 has to be a major reason for that.
UAL likes them enough that they actually talked to Boeing about restarting passenger plane production, which Boeing had to decline since the interior supply chain was long gone even though the line was humming along with new build freighters.
The A330-200 also offered the same Pratt, RR and GE engines as those used on the 767, although in more powerful variants and the Airbus does have considerably more wing area, but it's also considerably heavier. I'd doubt that the A330-200 has any significant advantage in runway performance although I'd love to hear from anyone who does flight planning or dispatch involving the two.
Have to concede that we've flown both and prefer the 767. The 767 is about a dozen years older than the A330 and the newer airliner is usually the better airliner in terms of cost per seat to operate, as well as the larger airliner generally offering better cost per seat and the A330 wins in both respects.
Still, I hope that we can catch a 767-400 before that small tribe is retired.