Kia Oil Filters

[stephen9666]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Like I said, it's an old tsb dating to 05. You'll also note the tsb doesn't say an aftermarket filter can't be used, because if they did Hyundai would have to pay for the filter. Also the STP oil filter is Champ's bottom of the line filter with a nitrile adbv not silicone. And some use a clicker type bypass which is considered suspect in some circles.

To each there own, I wouldn't be afraid to try a quality aftermaket filter using a 'silicone' adbv like the oem, which you failed to quote from my post.


I'm not trying to argue with you or claim the STP filter is a premium filter. I'm just pointing out what happened in my situation and that the symptom may not be a start up rattle.

 

[shell_user]

Yeah, the STP/CHAMP LABS filters, we used to use them at work til a dip**t crossthreaded one on a santa fe. Blew the engine, now we stick with OEM spin ons for those with the spinon filters. Sayjac, I have used a S2808 on my honda and have one on now, no rattles, b.s. or anything bad happening.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: stephen9666

I'm not trying to argue with you or claim the STP filter is a premium filter. I'm just pointing out what happened in my situation and that the symptom may not be a start up rattle.

It's all good. I guess what I was trying to say is some point that 05 tsb as an all encompassing absolute that no aftermarket filter should ever be used as all will cause an engine noise, be it a rattle or a knock. And, some vehicles seem more susceptible to a start up rattle or knock with a non oem filter, some Hyundai/Kia may be such vehicles.

That and with an unknown H/K oem efficiency, some quality aftermarket filters with similar silicone adbv construction and solid efficiency ratings may be as good or better, especially if one can easily obtain them for the same or less cost. I just wouldn't let that tsb keep me from at least trying such an aftermarket filter, but that just me. It seems clear in your case though, the STP you used seemed to fit the OF tsb warning and the OEM fixed the issue.

Not my intention to come off as argumentative, though perhaps I did. If so I apologize.

 

[mobilaltima]

on my friends '12 optima, i use the OEM filter and QSUD 5W30, one time i used a Beck Arnley filter and it looked identical to the OEM filter.

 

[salv]

Hyundai/Kia oil filters are made by Dongwoo, not Mobis. Mobis is the parts distributor for Hyundai and Kia.
Dongwoo is a subsidiary of Mann. The closest aftermarket you will get is a Mann filter.
The most important aspects of the filter are the thread-end bybass, and silicone antidrainback valve.

 

[stephen9666]

I'm bumping this thread because I was doing a little googling today and I found out that Hyundai and Kia reissued the aftermarket oil filter TSBs in 2012. So, it's not some outdated concern, as some have claimed.

Here's the Hyundai version of the TSB:

 

[sm00thpapa]

LOL, Love those scam TSB's so they get you to buy their filter.

Isuzu tried to convince me that an after market oil filter was causing my oil consumption. LOL!

 

[stephen9666]

And, here's the Kia version.

 

[stephen9666]

Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
LOL, Love those scam TSB's so they get you to buy their filter.


As I posted earlier, an aftermarket filter did cause a very loud knocking on my Sonata, so it likely isn't a "scam" in this case. A dealer filter fixed the issue.

 

[KCJeep]

I've read about those, and seen enough posts to believe there is something to it. However I see on both bulletins they have it marked "all models". That doesn't make sense to me. While I will believe some of those issues could have been caused by a less than optimum spin on filter, (the original TSB pictured an e-core) how on earth could a drop in cartridge filter cause any such problems? They don't even have ADBV or bypasses on the cartridge.

Other than improper fit I fail to see how a cartridge filter (which many Hyundai/KIA vehicles use) could be to blame for much of anything. I think they are being a little overzealous with their TSB.

Member sayjac here has made the same observations and uses Wix cartridge filters in his Hyundai without issue. I bought a Wix (Napa Gold version) for our KIA and it's a dead ringer for factory OEM, it even says "Made in South Korea" on it. I'll be sure to post back if there are problems when I install but I am sure not expecting any.

 

[salv]

I see the same result regularly. These DIY guys that think that the OEM's are liars just out for money, are outdated, know nothing conspiracy theorists. They are costing themselves extra money, and other people extra money because of ignorant maintenance practices.
The dealer is always a better source of info that the backyard guy. This is an irrefutable fact. In this day and age, OEM's make sure that the only people that understand the nuances of their systems are their dealer networks.

 

[stephen9666]

I guess I should note, I'm not an aftermarket filter hater. I had never used an OE filter until I bought my Sonata, and then I didn't start using them until I got the knock.

My other cars still use aftermarket filters.

 

[jim302]

Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
LOL, Love those scam TSB's so they get you to buy their filter.

Isuzu tried to convince me that an after market oil filter was causing my oil consumption. LOL!


Isuzu trying to blame your oil consumption on an aftermarket filter is obviously a problem, but that isn't what Hyundai is saying at all.

Aftermarket filters don't always adhere to the OE's exact specifications. They are close, but not always exact. Some engines are more sensitive than others. An out of spec or defective oil filter can definitely cause engine noise... this has been reported many times on this forum.

Besides, Hyundai filters are priced very reasonably given their quality. The last time I priced filters at a major auto parts chain, a FRAM Orange Can or Purolator Classic (the only two I looked at) was slightly more expensive than an OEM filter. I'm sure this has changed now that Wal-Mart caries Purolator Classics at such a low cost, but even then, it is only a few dollars more.

At the end of the day, I'm sure most of the higher quality aftermarket filters are just fine and will never cause a problem. This TSB is probably marketed to a small number of filters, but it isn't practical to create a list of "bad" filters (and this could open them up to legal issues).

 

[surfstar]

I'm amazed that the first tsb was in 2005 and covered all models. Why? I recently changed the oil+filter in my mom's newly acquired 2004 Elantra. The filter is oriented base plate up - as in an ADBV won't make any difference. I can't see how that particular engine would get a noise. Its got a puro classic on there and no noise reports yet.

Although it specs "all models" - has anyone with a 01-07 Elantra had noise?

 

[sm00thpapa]

My brother has a 2009 Sonata and runs either the P1 or PC on it and never had an issue. Maybe it is with other engines. We cut a Hyundai factory filter and a PC open and they were identical internals except for the ADBV which was the orange silicone on the Hyundai and a black hard plastic on the PC. I doubt the ADBV would cause an issue with engine noise but I could be wrong.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: salv
Hyundai/Kia oil filters are made by Dongwoo, not Mobis. Mobis is the parts distributor for Hyundai and Kia.
Dongwoo is a subsidiary of Mann. The closest aftermarket you will get is a Mann filter.
The most important aspects of the filter are the thread-end bybass, and silicone antidrainback valve.

Not according to the linked Bitog thread below* which links to a Hyundai filter dissection. There's also a Hyundai made OEM oil filter youtube which shows them using dome end bypass. The Hyundai OEM filter uses dome end bypass, same Purolator and US made Mann and Bosch filters and many other brands. While the H/K spin on does appear to be be a well made filter, I've never seen a published efficiency spec.

*Bitog, Hyundai KIA oil filter cut open

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
Isuzu tried to convince me that an after market oil filter was causing my oil consumption. LOL!


In your case, I'd laugh at them, too. However, if there is noise with an aftermarket filter and a switch to an OEM filter eliminates the problem, one can hardly blame the automaker for saying it's not their problem or the responsibility of their warranty.

 

[Rick in PA]

Originally Posted By: stephen9666
I'm bumping this thread because I was doing a little googling today and I found out that Hyundai and Kia reissued the aftermarket oil filter TSBs in 2012. So, it's not some outdated concern, as some have claimed.

Here's the Hyundai version of the TSB:

We just got a KIA. I've always used aftermarket oil filters without problems. In setting up to do oil changes on the KIA, I discovered all the fuss about using an OEM filter only. It seemed to me that they were setting things up so that if you have a lubrication related engine failure (which could be any failure) and you used an aftermarket oil filter, they'd claim it wasn't covered by the warranty and push the repair back on the aftermarket oil filter manufacturer (good luck with that).

The "NOTICE! Any concerns caused by previous use of an aftermarket oil filter should be noted in the repair order and discussed with the customer." (emphasis mine) just reinforces my convictions.

Guess I'll play along. Buy their oil filters. Use them. Keep records. I don't want to invalidate my warranty, but it does make me question how well the warranty will be supported if needed.

 

[Hootbro]

The KIA/Hyundai oil filter issue seems to get regurgitated ever so often with the same misconception that only the OEM filter will maintain warranty. That is a misstatement.

The TSB is only advice for the dealership and maintenance folks on what to do if someone actually has a reported problem and a aftermarket oil filter is installed and replacement fixes the issue.

The TSB is not a blanket statement that "all" aftermarket oil filters are bad, just that KIA/Hyundai can not recommend any other filter than what is OEM (just as any other car maker would state also).

KIA/Hyundai can not legally deny warranty claim just for seeing or noting a aftermarket oil filter installed, they have to prove it. The only thing by having a OEM filter installed does, is that it removes one more point of contention if you have a lubrication related warranty issue.

 

[sm00thpapa]

Guess I"m gonna jump on the Hyundai OEM oil filter soon. Wife wants an Elantra or Sonanta now. Kia Optima is nice also.