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Anyone have any idea if this is something they'll market someday? What would be in it? My cousin that works at JGR didn't know much about it that he would admit to or talk about. If NASCAR promotes the one-size-fits-all concept in build, tires and fuel, can brewing your own lubes be an advantage?
 
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SAE 0W, 0W15, 5W20. I guess it doesn't matter much if they tear em down every race? Or does the viscosity just not matter that much given the additives they must put in this stuff?
 
The viscosity reduction can be handled by closing up your tolerances, at least that is what I was told by an engine builder who studied the effects. There is a real power gain to be had switching to low viscosity oils as proved by the Formula V (the old 36 HP Beetle motors)racers. They all switched to a special 0-30W Redline oil in the 80's. At the time that was a wild step, they always ran 20-50W, or straight 50W, before that.
 
I believe this stuff has little to no detergents added. Probably not a good choice for long term, regular-high OCIs street use.
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I spoke with a guy from JGR today. He was very informative. I didn't really find any ground breaking information but some things he said were interesting.

Prior to Joe Gibb's racing oil, they were using a special oil from Shell. The oil was very good, but they were looking for better. They then went to use M1 Racing oil and that too was good and what a majority of NASCAR uses. They then hooked up with an additive supplier and blender who now makes the JGR oil.

If anyone runs this stuff, but has been previously using Redline, run a flush first. He said that the additive package for Redline and JGR don't get a long. He tells everyone to run a flush first. Didn't know why, but all of their testing showed this problem. They tell a lot of the drag racing guys to do this before changing to JGR oil.

Apparently a lot of people in nascar and drag racing are switching over to this oil. This is according to JGR though.
It has a lot of ZDDP and Moly. It's an oil made more for flat tappet engines. Would be of no value to any of us and on top of that, it has no detergents.

In all of their testing, they found that Groups IV and V work best together and that just a group V alone was not the best option. He emphasized how important it was to find that balance to achieve the best overall result. A mixture of PAO and Esters was found to be the best combo. (Redline uses PAO as well).

I can tell you based on what he told me that Mobil 1 (not the Wally World M1) is very popular in Nascar but it sounds like a lot of people are jumping ship and using JGR oil. All of the big guys custom formulate for these racing teams.
 
Yeah, turns out I have a cousin who's an aerodynamics engineer (PHD) works for JGR (I know, I know, difficult to believe from reading MY humble ravings there's a PHD in the family, eh?
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). Needless to say, I was working him for a little info, but he really didn't know that part. Engine guys know engines, chem-guys know chems and oils, and aero guys know aero stuff. Handling guys do the suspensions. Rarely do the various areas meet. Quite like the aviation maintenance community of Naval Air.

Also sounds like they're very protective of their intellectual properties.
 
I like the part about flushing out the RL cause not compatible???? I think LZ is going/trying to #@$%! off RL bye the way LZ makes, formulated and blends the oil for them.
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Joe Gibbs needs to spend less time and effort on automotive issues and more time figuring out how to fix the Redskins!
 
yeah really.

JGR oil doesn't use the same esters as RL according to the guy I spoke with. Same with LQ.
 
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