JASO MA/MA2 VS JASO MB, does really matter on scooter ?

[TrialKid]

Manual says JASO MB 10W30 on a HONDA SH 150 2025 model

Is dry clutch CVT, with NO oil filter (just an oil screen) and takes 800ml.

If I add JASO MA/MA2 is there any PROS and CONS ?

Same oil says needs for the gearbox (seperate) JASO MB 10W30

Thanks in advance

 

[NiwradND]

I use Rotella T6 in mine. 5w40

 

[TrialKid]

I use Rotella T6 in mine. 5w40

This I can’t find it on Greece and don’t know if available to Europe.

 

[Japanese]

Same oil says needs for the gearbox (seperate) JASO MB 10W30

Here, this is the oil for scooters with CVT or dry clutch:
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/58010?id=58010&product=SCOOTER+POWER+4T+MB+10W-30

Product Data Sheet
https://azupim01.motul.com/media/mo...r_4t_mb_10w-30_en_fr_motul_58010_20241211.pdf

 

[Japanese]

You might be fine with JASO MA/MA2 too. The correct oil is the one above. However, if you cannot find it, you can use this one which is JASO MA2:
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/16501?id=16501&product=MOTUL+7100+10W-30+4T

Produc Data Sheet
https://oilgroupbg.com/pdf/motul/motul-7100-4t-10w30.pdf

Either of those oils should be about €15 - 20 for a liter.

 

[TrialKid]

You might be fine with JASO MA/MA2 too. The correct oil is the one above. However, if you cannot find it, you can use this one which is JASO MA2:
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/16501?id=16501&product=MOTUL+7100+10W-30+4T

Produc Data Sheet
https://oilgroupbg.com/pdf/motul/motul-7100-4t-10w30.pdf

Either of those oils should be about €15 - 20 for a liter.

I already see them, many thanks

But what is the difference in additives JASO MA/MA2 VS MB

The percentage on Molybdenum ?

 

[Japanese]

I already see them, many thanks

But what is the difference in additives JASO MA/MA2 VS MB

The percentage on Molybdenum ?

I'm not sure what is the difference regarding formulation ingredients. It probably has more friction modifiers like molybdenum which will be good for the gears, but not for a wet clutch.
However, the main difference is that JASO MA/MA2 is for wet clutch applications and JASO MB is for gears only (CVT) and not wet clutch. But most likely you'll be fine with JASO MA/MA2 as well.

For example, this motorcycle gear oil, regardless that is synthetic blend, is not JASO rated, however it's API GL-4 and is for wet clutch too. It also might be a good and also a cheaper option. It's very popular among scooter and 2-stroke riders that have separate engine and gear oils. So, this oil is for the grears only, not the engine

However, it will be a bit thicker than 10W-30.
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/74300?id=74300&product=MOTUL+TRANSOIL+EXPERT+10W-40

Product Data Sheet
https://azupim01.motul.com/media/motulData/DO/base/TRANSOIL_EXPERT_10W-40_en_FR_motul_20210426.pdf

Another JASO MB oil but is 10W-40 synthetic blend:
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/57701?id=57701&product=SCOOTER+EXPERT+4T+MB+10W-40

PDS
https://azupim01.motul.com/media/motulData/DO/base/motul_scooter_expert_4t_mb_10w-40_en_fr_motul_57701_20241211.pdf

 

[Greenbeforeblue]

IMO, the small oil volume in the scooter makes it more important to use the recommended oil. I also change scooter oil much sooner for the same reason.

 

[iahawk]

A scooter engine with a dry clutch does NOT need to use dedicated motorcycle oil! this question gets asked over and over on forums. Motorcycle oil is for a shared sump with a wet clutch. With a dry clutch you can use just about any quality oil that you feel like.

 

[Japanese]

A scooter engine with a dry clutch does NOT need to use dedicated motorcycle oil! this question gets asked over and over on forums. Motorcycle oil is for a shared sump with a wet clutch. With a dry clutch you can use just about any quality oil that you feel like.

Well, then why don't you use motor oil in your car's gearbox/transmission and vise versa?
Cars have dry clutch, right?

 

[iahawk]

Well, then why don't you use motor oil in your car's gearbox/transmission and vise versa?
Cars have dry clutch, right?

Dude, what are you even talking about?? Are you seriously asking this?

 

[Japanese]

Dude, what are you even talking about?? Are you seriously asking this?

Yes, I'm serious. Can you explain it to me?
He is asking for both engine oil and gear oil that are separate sumps on his scooter.
So, what oil do you recommend?

 

[Oliveoil2]

The answer to your question is no because your scooter doesn’t have a wet clutch. Use any 10w-30.

 

[TrialKid]

A scooter engine with a dry clutch does NOT need to use dedicated motorcycle oil! this question gets asked over and over on forums. Motorcycle oil is for a shared sump with a wet clutch. With a dry clutch you can use just about any quality oil that you feel like.

indeed,no wet clutch like cars

So any oil is OK for the engine with the same viscosity 10/30

 

[TrialKid]

I'm not sure what is the difference regarding formulation ingredients. It probably has more friction modifiers like molybdenum which will be good for the gears, but not for a wet clutch.
However, the main difference is that JASO MA/MA2 is for wet clutch applications and JASO MB is for gears only (CVT) and not wet clutch. But most likely you'll be fine with JASO MA/MA2 as well.

For example, this motorcycle gear oil, regardless that is synthetic blend, is not JASO rated, however it's API GL-4 and is for wet clutch too. It also might be a good and also a cheaper option. It's very popular among scooter and 2-stroke riders that have separate engine and gear oils. So, this oil is for the grears only, not the engine

However, it will be a bit thicker than 10W-30.
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/74300?id=74300&product=MOTUL+TRANSOIL+EXPERT+10W-40

Product Data Sheet
https://azupim01.motul.com/media/motulData/DO/base/TRANSOIL_EXPERT_10W-40_en_FR_motul_20210426.pdf

Another JASO MB oil but is 10W-40 synthetic blend:
https://www.motul.com/el-GR/products/57701?id=57701&product=SCOOTER+EXPERT+4T+MB+10W-40

PDS
https://azupim01.motul.com/media/motulData/DO/base/motul_scooter_expert_4t_mb_10w-40_en_fr_motul_57701_20241211.pdf

That’s a another question about manual calls for 10/30 MB also for the final drive gearbox

But as you said GL4 rating should be ok also for wet clutch, so I don’t understand why they don’t add alternative option in the owners manual

Many thanks

 

[burbguy82]

Dude, what are you even talking about?? Are you seriously asking this?