Jack stands and Subaru pinch welds...

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The pinch welds on my WRX seem to be somewhat weaker or less well designed than those on other cars I've worked on. The factory service manual recommends the pinch welds as the shop lift and jack stand points (there are separate front and rear jacking point for lifting the car one end at a time). In addition, the spots you're supposed to use are clearly marked by some indicators molded into the rocker panel covers.

Well, twice now I've put the car up on stands, and I don't like what's happening to the rails. I didn't like it the first time but I thought I'd change the stand positioning a little and give it another try -- same result. They're made up of 3 layers of metal that aren't quite level with each other, and it seems like the way the force gets distributed ends up pushing them apart from each other a little. Here's a pic - the topmost "layer" in the picture is the plastic rocker panel cover, the other 3 layers are the rail.


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I've heard of "pinch weld adapters" for jack stands (as opposed to jacks) but never seen any in real life, and in any case it seems like they'd have to be custom fit to whatever type of jack stand they're used with. If I could find some kind of adapter, or even some stands that would "fit" better with this shape, I'd buy them if I could be sure they'd work.

Any advice? Anyone familiar with Subarus know if this is a common design issue (no problem with my previous Honda or my wife's Mazda, albeit those cars are both lighter by a few hundred pounds).

I'm debating putting the stands on the "frame rails", at least in the front. The back of the car is lighter and doesn't seem to have this problem nearly as bad. Or maybe I'm being obsessive and would be better off just ignoring it given I'm not in the rust belt?
 
I use hardwood that I cut from pieces that are about 3/4" x 1 1/2" and cut them about 4" long. They work great. No special hockey pucks needed. Even pieces of a 2 by 4 will work. The hardwood last a lot longer though and can be reused.

I use them on jacks, and jack stands.
 
Yup - rubber, wood, plastic, any thing soft. I even use old pieces of towels, washcloths, rags, etc. Very many layers folded into just the right spot of contact. Also to prevent scratches and future rust.
 
No way you can keep something in good shape for 20 years like that.The lack of proper sills and underbody rails that are made of decent steel is just plain cheap cost cutting.Hence why an Impreza base can be had for $18K new.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
My Audi had the same issue. I use one of these now:
http://www.purems.com/products/product.php/II=833
You can also DIY with a hockey puck.


That's a jack adapter though. I use front/rear center jacking points so just need the pinch welds for stands.

Originally Posted By: user52165
Use Rhino ramps whenever possible.


It would be nice but most of the time when I'm jacking up a car it's for an oil change + tire rotation so ramps are of limited use.



All those recommending wood: Do you just cut a piece to fit over the top of the stand or something? I use a small piece of wood to buffer between the car and the jack but the stands are different and I'd be nervous about the front slipping off when I'm raising the back. I guess a piece of soft but thick rubber would work though.
 
If you drive up the ramps fast enough the tire rotation shouldn't be a problem. It's just the getting down that could be twitchy.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
If you drive up the ramps fast enough the tire rotation shouldn't be a problem. It's just the getting down that could be twitchy.


LOL. I actually have some experience with that, not on this car though. Another reason I'm not so much a fan of ramps anymore.
 
Yeah, I may have to pick up some of those pads from HF, and just get a pair of their jack stands if that's all the pads fit. No such thing as too many jack stands, right?
 
Those HF rubber things costs almost as much as their jack stands! I could not bring myself to buy them just on that principle. I have purchased few hockey pucks and will carve them up.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Those HF rubber things costs almost as much as their jack stands! I could not bring myself to buy them just on that principle. I have purchased few hockey pucks and will carve them up.


They're on sale right now for $7.99. That seems pretty cheap to me. Plus, they'll fit on top of a jack stand much better than a hockey puck.
 
I have a set of jack stand that have notches in the tops to fit around pinch welds. I bought them many years ago. I have occasionally seen similar jack stands for sale, but they are not common.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Those HF rubber things costs almost as much as their jack stands! I could not bring myself to buy them just on that principle. I have purchased few hockey pucks and will carve them up.


$8-$10 for something with really good fitment seems like a deal to me.

Originally Posted By: ron917
I have a set of jack stand that have notches in the tops to fit around pinch welds. I bought them many years ago. I have occasionally seen similar jack stands for sale, but they are not common.


The HF stands are the only ones I've actually seen on sale that are constructed sort of like this. I've seen a large variety of well used jack stands in photos with interesting top designs, but never see them for sale anywhere.


Originally Posted By: The Critic
Those hf jack stand pads work great.

But price be dammed, these look like the way to go:

http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/#esco


Those look awesome. If I hadn't just bought a ton of new misc tools for unrelated reasons, I might be tempted
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That's a nice review too, I hadn't seen it yet.

Critic: I know you've worked on lots of different newer cars for friends -- have you seen this kind of lame multi-layer "pinch weld" on any?
 
Originally Posted By: rationull


Originally Posted By: ron917
I have a set of jack stand that have notches in the tops to fit around pinch welds. I bought them many years ago. I have occasionally seen similar jack stands for sale, but they are not common.


The HF stands are the only ones I've actually seen on sale that are constructed sort of like this. I've seen a large variety of well used jack stands in photos with interesting top designs, but never see them for sale anywhere.


Here's a pic of one of my jack stands (sorry for the quality, my phone takes lousy pics). The brand is American Forge & Foundry model SS-3. Made in China, despite the brand name. I bought those a long time ago. A Google search will find the same brand and model, the design is different although they still have a notch.

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