Ford certailnly left the other two scrambling to catch up when they designed the new Mustang after a '67 model and folks liked it.
It's Official - the Camaro Will Return in 2008
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You mean RIDICULOUS?? lol.
**** Camero fans
GM alone has more assembly plants in the USA than all the import brands combined. Ford alone also has more assembly plants in the USA than all the import brands combined. Same thing with employees. http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/scorecards.htmquote:
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The Toyota will be made here and the Camaro will be made in China.
P.B.
Sold exclusively at Walmart.
Production is scheduled to begin at the end of 2008, with sales to start in the first quarter of 2009.
This is over 2-1/2 years away!! Obviously Chevy will make sure this Camaro is right, and these dates will be pushed back. So in reality, probably over three years away. Alot of things could happen before that. A break thru battery design could happen before that, rendering all gas cars obsolete!
Seriously, if they can get 28-35 mpg out of it in similar fashion that they get that in the Corvette, offering a no thrill, roll up window, vinyl floor, stripper model, then they might be on to something.
This is over 2-1/2 years away!! Obviously Chevy will make sure this Camaro is right, and these dates will be pushed back. So in reality, probably over three years away. Alot of things could happen before that. A break thru battery design could happen before that, rendering all gas cars obsolete!
Seriously, if they can get 28-35 mpg out of it in similar fashion that they get that in the Corvette, offering a no thrill, roll up window, vinyl floor, stripper model, then they might be on to something.
I might buy a no frill model, but a no thrill model defeats the purpose
The American car market is too enamored with luxury appointments for a 'stripper' car to ever be acceptable again. Gone are the days of no carpet, manual windows, etc. Look what the SUV has become due to America's appetite for goodies. My dad's 78 Blazer had no luxury gadgets, and even no A/C and could crawl rocks and mountainsides with the best of them. It was capable of things I'd never attempt with the new Tahoe, unless I wasn't concerned with the repair bill for all the suspension and body damage that would likely result.
The same thing has happened to the car market....even our smallest 4-cylinder cars can't achieve what the economy cars of the 80's did. The original Honda CRX-HF could reach 50mpg, and now a compact car requires a hybrid setup just to reach 45. Electronic gizmos, ultra heavy platforms and all the luxury appointments that Americans demand have forever done away with any 'stripper' models that appeal to sports car enthusiasts. I can't even fathom the new Camaro arriving without all the latest failure-prone gadgets to weigh it down and inflate its price. Ahh well...progress.
The same thing has happened to the car market....even our smallest 4-cylinder cars can't achieve what the economy cars of the 80's did. The original Honda CRX-HF could reach 50mpg, and now a compact car requires a hybrid setup just to reach 45. Electronic gizmos, ultra heavy platforms and all the luxury appointments that Americans demand have forever done away with any 'stripper' models that appeal to sports car enthusiasts. I can't even fathom the new Camaro arriving without all the latest failure-prone gadgets to weigh it down and inflate its price. Ahh well...progress.
Both automakers have their own plants there. GM currently makes the Monte Carlo and Impala in Oshawa. That plant was also recently named the highest quality plant in North America (of any manufacturer) by JD Power. I recently read that union members there voted to approve job cuts as a means of attracting production of the Camaro. I don't know how those two are related, but that's why I'm betting on Oshawa for Camaro production.
Regarding pricing, GM HAS to start this car under $30k. Given their competition, they don't have a choice. My guess is mid $20k range for the base V6 model and a stripped down V8 for just under $30k. A loaded model would be $35 - $38k. Again, this is just a guess on my part.
It will be the challenge for GM to insert this car into the market at a competitive price point to the Mustang. But...any price checking I did when the last Camaro was still around indicated that the Camaro was usually a bit more expensive than a comparable Mustang. Unless you got lucky, it wasn't possible to pick up a Z-28 for the same money as a GT. And the SS....forgetaboutit.
Gotta' be careful with that price. I saw some industry types saying that what killed it was the price... the kinda' guys that used to have bought a Camaro wound up buying Mustangs or used Camaros, 'cuz the Camero was just too expensive.
Wonder if Chevrolet will recomend "Mobile" oil?
Only for the Corvette.
That was supposed to be a continuation of the commonly misspelled words. "Camero". "Rediculous". "Mobile".
Your funny!
A no thrills, errr, no frills model with low price geared towards the commuter sector, maximized for maximum economy, would have a market, I feel. But obviously this camero, errr camaro is not being geared/marketed in that direction.
I feel that a Cobra sized/styled car at minimal weight with manual windows, manual folding top, non powered steering would have a market. Design it with an engine bay designed for quick change engine modules. Engine module chioices could be as they become available: gas, clean diesel, gas/electric hybrid, hydrogen/fuel cell, steam, or gerbil power. Sorta would give a feeling of individuality. Powerplant plants can be changed at whim. Sorta like adding memory to a computer. Plug and play. Or in this case, plug and drive. If only I had the capital to start this myself........
Gotta go....Doc says its time to take my medicine...........
I feel that a Cobra sized/styled car at minimal weight with manual windows, manual folding top, non powered steering would have a market. Design it with an engine bay designed for quick change engine modules. Engine module chioices could be as they become available: gas, clean diesel, gas/electric hybrid, hydrogen/fuel cell, steam, or gerbil power. Sorta would give a feeling of individuality. Powerplant plants can be changed at whim. Sorta like adding memory to a computer. Plug and play. Or in this case, plug and drive. If only I had the capital to start this myself........
Gotta go....Doc says its time to take my medicine...........
I think you are right on target with this one. Even the upcoming 2007 Jeep Wrangler has gone luxo-barge (as far as SWB Jeeps go. I have always liked strippie models of trucks, utility vehicles, commuters, and hot rods. The only option besides four wheel drive that I generally want is air conditioning. Everything else is a bonus.
I'm glad they're building this and hope they price it low. There's a saying in Detroit, "Only Ford can build a Mustang" but more competition in that area has to be a good thing.
I'd so love to see these cars end up with 400HP for well under $30K.
I'd so love to see these cars end up with 400HP for well under $30K.
yeah, more great new ideas from GM.
Surprised to hear them do this. The only reason they got out of that market in the first place was because Mustangs were selling more than Camaro, Firebird and TransAm COMBINED. By the time they get into production, there will be so much after market parts available for the "new" Mustangs that I seriously doubt they can play catch up that fast. They will undoubtly sell the car at a loss at first and pray that there are not a lot of first year production bugs to come out of the wood work that would prevent a recall. If that happens, GM will surely go bankrupt and then be bought out by Toyota.
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