It's Official - the Camaro Will Return in 2008

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GM could afford to do this car right if they would get rid of some brass at the top. Ford and GM wonder why things are so tough for them, while simultaneously laying off all the indians they can spare, while continuing to pay 6-figure salaries to the chiefs at the top who are doing little or none of the real work.

As a result of their top-heaviness, GM will produce this car with the body you see above, containing all the cheap made-in-Taiwan components they can find, cheaper and smaller wheels (which will completely remove it's looks from the show-car presented to the press) and tires from the lowest bidder. Ford didn't bring the Mustang to market with all the show-car goodies on the concept, either....because of cost.

Quality issues aside, the reason Ford and GM are getting their asses handed to them by the Japanese is because they run a tighter, leaner, and meaner ship. I also concur with the above statement that GM is a little late with this entry...who's going to be in the market for a V8 coupe while gas prices continue skyward? If they had been on top of things and released the new Camaro within months of the Mustang, at least they wouldn't be looking so "me too" as they are right now. Hopefully they're considering a 3.5 V6 version for the lower side of their demographic. And not the 3.5 from their mini-vans. A new, multi-valve DOHC befitting a new car.
 
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Even those who don't like Ford really dig the way the Mustang looks.
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Not me on both counts.

I actually hope GM doesn't build the new Camaro. I can't take all the cliches and sterotypes being trotted out.
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Yet another almost 4,000 lb. boat on wheels courtesy of GM.

I honestly can't fathom how this is the same company that developed the Z06.
 
It doesn't look bad at all but I think I will take a Challenger instead. What will be sad is when "the kids" get a hold of it and put 28 inch wheels with spinners on it.
 
I really liked the looks of the last camaro that was made (2002?). Plus it had the strong 3.8 with an optional 350. If it didn't sell well enough then to keep in production, I don't see any way it will do better now, especially against an even better Mustang.
 
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who's going to be in the market for a V8 coupe while gas prices continue skyward?
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The people who buy the high performance V8 powered cars don't care about the price of gas.

There will probably be a V6 car for the poseurs, like Ford did with the Mousetang.
 
Yep, without the cheapo base models, there wouldn't be any profitablilty. If I see one more Camaro V-6 with a poorly mounted aftermarket twin pipe exhaust.....
 
I expect it will take GM 3 years to work the "bugs" out. A new 18 mpg (city) vehicle that will easly drop to 8 mpg if driven anything more than modestly. I think it will be a short production run like the T Bird.
 
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I heard from another source Traverse City, MI. Anyway, there sure is a lot of domestic bashing on this site. Maybe these folks will see the light when their job is outsourced just because someone in another country is willing to work for nothing. See how many imports they buy then.
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I don't know about this. It seems that, more and more, so-called domestics are being made in other countries such as Canada and Mexico, while so-called imports are being manufactured in this country by good old American labor. The outsourcing is being done by American companies to the detriment of the American worker. GM even imports one of their V-6 engines from China.

The real question is, Why can foreign companies locate their factories in this country and make a nice profit, while the American companies, due to past management failures, have to resort to cheap foreign labor sources? Toyota, even, has an engine plant up the road from me in Jackson TN.
 
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I expect it will take GM 3 years to work the "bugs" out. A new 18 mpg (city) vehicle that will easly drop to 8 mpg if driven anything more than modestly. I think it will be a short production run like the T Bird.
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Or the Pontiac GTO. They never sold more than 15,000 annually of those things, and they are pretty good cars; much better quality-wise than the Camaro-Firebird duo were.

Don't forget why they quit making the Camaro: Their sales (Camaro and Firebird combined) were less than half of Ford Mustang sales at the time. Mustang sales have doubled with the new model they have out. They sold 160,975 last year and are on schedule to repeat this year (100,475 thru July).

Its going to be very interesting to see how this race goes. I just wish GM was not going to take so long to bring this car out. This does not speak well of the engineering capabilities of GM, given that they are going to use one of their existing platforms and an already engineered drive train.
 
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The real question is, Why can foreign companies locate their factories in this country and make a nice profit, while the American companies, due to past management failures, have to resort to cheap foreign labor sources? Toyota, even, has an engine plant up the road from me in Jackson TN.
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Because to the Japanese, American workers ARE cheap foreign labor.
 
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We need gas misers, not yet another sporty guzzler. I'll go on a limb and predict that the new Camaro will be dead in the water in 2008 because gas will be far more expensive then.
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Couldn't agree more with you. The future is now and GM can't see it, let alone a couple of years down the line.

But hey, why start changing now. Keep riding the same dead horses that has taken them to the edge of bankruptcy in the last few years.
 
I had a '68 convertible in the '80s ... but it was something of a bondo bomb. Yellow with black stripes and black interior. Black nugget wheels and chrome sidepipes. Pretty to look at ... from a little distance.

That concept car looks a bit extreme and they should go for a more authentic 'retro' look, INHO.

I believe it was the looks of the car that caused the GTO to fail commercially. These kinds of cars are not intellectual purchases ... but highly emotional ones. You need to appeal to people on that level and right now, nothing is hotter than authntic 60s muscle cars.

Ford got it right with the latest Mustang. This new Camaro? I have some serious doubts.
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--- Bror Jace
 
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Originally posted by Bror Jace:
I had a '68 convertible in the '80s ... but it was something of a bondo bomb. Yellow with black stripes and black interior. Black nugget wheels and chrome sidepipes. Pretty to look at ... from a little distance.

That concept car looks a bit extreme and they should go for a more authentic 'retro' look, INHO.

I believe it was the looks of the car that caused the GTO to fail commercially. These kinds of cars are not intellectual purchases ... but highly emotional ones. You need to appeal to people on that level and right now, nothing is hotter than authntic 60s muscle cars.

Ford got it right with the latest Mustang. This new Camaro? I have some serious doubts.
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--- Bror Jace
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As much as I love Chevy, from looking at the pics of the concept car I have to agree that the appearance has room for improvement. I hope Chevy gets more in tune with their heritage in the appearance dept. before this is released. I had a '69 2sp glide 307 plain jane. That was always my favorite car light nimble and efficent for its time. Maybe my fond memories are due to my youth at the time. Rickey.
 
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