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Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by dave1251
With a lot of turbo applications in modern engines the boost is really low and it is not stressing the oil. The bearings will look near new with basic API certified oil at OCI's less than 10K. There is no reason to change AMSOIL Signature Series at 10K for "cheap insurance".
Got a link or proof for that? I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
you don't like links or proofs...why ask for them, if you'll subsequently ignore anything.
Originally Posted by dave1251
With a lot of turbo applications in modern engines the boost is really low and it is not stressing the oil. The bearings will look near new with basic API certified oil at OCI's less than 10K. There is no reason to change AMSOIL Signature Series at 10K for "cheap insurance".
Got a link or proof for that? I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
you don't like links or proofs...why ask for them, if you'll subsequently ignore anything.
Look, the number of turbos on Australian roads is massive.
Many of the diesel engines have called for simple 15W40 diesel specs, A3/B4 or C3...Dexos 2 is more recent (including in the gassers, as I've previously explained). Ford, on their high performance turbo 6, also called for 15W40 SL...a grade scarcelely likely to be syntetic, and certainly not called for being a synthetic in the manual.
There are literally millions of turbos in the country, and most of them not running any type of synthetic.
If your claims were true, there would be a pile of failed turbos at every street corner, and that's simply not the Australian experience.
Unless you've got links to photos of these piles, I'll have to suggest that you are looking at the issue through the eye's of a convert to tricky advertising, rather than rationally evaluating the evidence.
Many of the diesel engines have called for simple 15W40 diesel specs, A3/B4 or C3...Dexos 2 is more recent (including in the gassers, as I've previously explained). Ford, on their high performance turbo 6, also called for 15W40 SL...a grade scarcelely likely to be syntetic, and certainly not called for being a synthetic in the manual.
There are literally millions of turbos in the country, and most of them not running any type of synthetic.
If your claims were true, there would be a pile of failed turbos at every street corner, and that's simply not the Australian experience.
Unless you've got links to photos of these piles, I'll have to suggest that you are looking at the issue through the eye's of a convert to tricky advertising, rather than rationally evaluating the evidence.
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Older turbocharged engines developed a reputation as mechanical time bombs. Turbos spin at hundreds of thousands of rpm, and bearings often failed. Today, automakers have perfected the oiling systems that keep turbochargers going for hundreds of thousands of miles. Older turbos made so much power that they frequently caused problems with other parts of the car. Transmissions would fail, brakes would need replacements more often, and engines would overheat. These problems haven't cropped up with smaller turbochargers on smaller engines. Automakers seem to have learned their lessons from older turbos.
Today's turbocharged engines are much more reliable, and it's rare to have major problems with a modern engine, whether it's turbocharged or not.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/should-i-buy-a-turbocharged-car
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The best technique for dealing with turbocharger problems is to prevent them from occurring.
Use the proper synthetic oil recommended by the manufacturer.
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1128/turbocharger-problems
Not my words, theirs to confirm my story.
Older turbocharged engines developed a reputation as mechanical time bombs. Turbos spin at hundreds of thousands of rpm, and bearings often failed. Today, automakers have perfected the oiling systems that keep turbochargers going for hundreds of thousands of miles. Older turbos made so much power that they frequently caused problems with other parts of the car. Transmissions would fail, brakes would need replacements more often, and engines would overheat. These problems haven't cropped up with smaller turbochargers on smaller engines. Automakers seem to have learned their lessons from older turbos.
Today's turbocharged engines are much more reliable, and it's rare to have major problems with a modern engine, whether it's turbocharged or not.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/should-i-buy-a-turbocharged-car
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The best technique for dealing with turbocharger problems is to prevent them from occurring.
Use the proper synthetic oil recommended by the manufacturer.
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1128/turbocharger-problems
Not my words, theirs to confirm my story.
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Originally Posted by Shannow
Look, the number of turbos on Australian roads is massive.
Many of the diesel engines have called for simple 15W40 diesel specs, A3/B4 or C3...Dexos 2 is more recent (including in the gassers, as I've previously explained). Ford, on their high performance turbo 6, also called for 15W40 SL...a grade scarcelely likely to be syntetic, and certainly not called for being a synthetic in the manual.
There are literally millions of turbos in the country, and most of them not running any type of synthetic.
If your claims were true, there would be a pile of failed turbos at every street corner, and that's simply not the Australian experience.
Unless you've got links to photos of these piles, I'll have to suggest that you are looking at the issue through the eye's of a convert to tricky advertising, rather than rationally evaluating the evidence.
So they use minerals oils in turbo diesel engines in Australia?
Look, the number of turbos on Australian roads is massive.
Many of the diesel engines have called for simple 15W40 diesel specs, A3/B4 or C3...Dexos 2 is more recent (including in the gassers, as I've previously explained). Ford, on their high performance turbo 6, also called for 15W40 SL...a grade scarcelely likely to be syntetic, and certainly not called for being a synthetic in the manual.
There are literally millions of turbos in the country, and most of them not running any type of synthetic.
If your claims were true, there would be a pile of failed turbos at every street corner, and that's simply not the Australian experience.
Unless you've got links to photos of these piles, I'll have to suggest that you are looking at the issue through the eye's of a convert to tricky advertising, rather than rationally evaluating the evidence.
So they use minerals oils in turbo diesel engines in Australia?
We did here in North America as well originally and there were all sorts of bearing failures because the oil technology isn't where it is today. Albeit turbos have also gotten better as well.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by dave1251
With a lot of turbo applications in modern engines the boost is really low and it is not stressing the oil. The bearings will look near new with basic API certified oil at OCI's less than 10K. There is no reason to change AMSOIL Signature Series at 10K for "cheap insurance".
Got a link or proof for that? I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
Your claim is out of the norm so so you have graphs and figures to substantiate this?
Originally Posted by dave1251
With a lot of turbo applications in modern engines the boost is really low and it is not stressing the oil. The bearings will look near new with basic API certified oil at OCI's less than 10K. There is no reason to change AMSOIL Signature Series at 10K for "cheap insurance".
Got a link or proof for that? I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
Your claim is out of the norm so so you have graphs and figures to substantiate this?
I provided an article that backed up my claim about Turbo's in the past being terrible in their reliability. Their words not mine. There isn't a study that I'm aware of that I can provide.
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I was interested in your statement where you said:
Originally Posted by StevieC
I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
Besides it being "fair share" I was wondering how many you've actually seen and where? Gee whiz I take care of my in-law's cars and help out two neighbor ladies and I've not seen anything of the sort. Exactly where and how are you coming across all these coked turbos? And how do you "see" them, do you take them apart?
Originally Posted by StevieC
I've seen my fare share of cooked turbos from coking with 6K mile OCI's on quality oils.
Besides it being "fair share" I was wondering how many you've actually seen and where? Gee whiz I take care of my in-law's cars and help out two neighbor ladies and I've not seen anything of the sort. Exactly where and how are you coming across all these coked turbos? And how do you "see" them, do you take them apart?
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
We did here in North America as well originally and there were all sorts of bearing failures because the oil technology isn't where it is today. Albeit turbos have also gotten better as well.
Oil related issues.
We did here in North America as well originally and there were all sorts of bearing failures because the oil technology isn't where it is today. Albeit turbos have also gotten better as well.
Oil related issues.
Originally Posted by Bjornviken
Originally Posted by StevieC
We did here in North America as well originally and there were all sorts of bearing failures because the oil technology isn't where it is today. Albeit turbos have also gotten better as well.
Oil related issues.
Yes and no. Mainly oil related but also design.
Originally Posted by StevieC
We did here in North America as well originally and there were all sorts of bearing failures because the oil technology isn't where it is today. Albeit turbos have also gotten better as well.
Oil related issues.
Yes and no. Mainly oil related but also design.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
Where did I say or imply that? I made a comment about synthetic oil only. I didn't specifically say Amsoil. Go back and check. I'll wait here.
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Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by StevieC
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
this thread has become a drama queen thread.they are always comical.
shannow --- you've been having fun long enough. I mean ....... it's not like you're sparring with molakule/jhzr2/trav/overkill.throw him a bone, and call it a night. i'll toast you with a cognac.have a good evening.
Originally Posted by StevieC
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
this thread has become a drama queen thread.they are always comical.
shannow --- you've been having fun long enough. I mean ....... it's not like you're sparring with molakule/jhzr2/trav/overkill.throw him a bone, and call it a night. i'll toast you with a cognac.have a good evening.
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by StevieC
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
Amsoil have enginering in top class. Cant really undersand why so much hate off a oil brand.
Originally Posted by StevieC
That's my phone doing that (auto correct). I'm on my office PC now. In the late 1980's, 1990's is where I saw the most. Then they became unpopular in the mainstream brands and sort of went away and now they are back. The newer ones I haven't seen fail except under heavy miles or where it was just the odd ball failure like any other part but nowhere near the numbers of the 1980s/1990's.
I have seen probably at least a hundred or more if I had to muster a guess, mainly on Chrysler vehicles but some others, in the shops my dad had that I worked at.
Per your statements in the other threads...
engineering...not a requirement for Amsoil's "super duper duperness"
Amsoil have enginering in top class. Cant really undersand why so much hate off a oil brand.
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