"It had a 351 Windsor in it !!..."

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.


If only they got the heads that were sitting in Smokey's workshop.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/sucp-0305-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-rally-sport/

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.

There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!


GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.


Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.



The thing I remember about the Poncho 301 (other than it being the turbo engine in the Knight Rider generation Trans Am) is that it was about the *only* Pontiac v8 engine of that era that had a truly GOOD (as opposed to "it'll work OK") rod/stroke ratio, as it was a destroked.... somethingorother bigger than 301. Basically a short-decked Pontiac big-block, which like the Buick big-blocks weighed in about the same or less than a Chevy smallblock.


But it had the overwhelming problem that it, well, sucked. Did nothing well...pathetic power, weak durability, and absolutely zero performance potential. The Buick V6 was a better choice...comparable power, better mileage, and vastly superior durability. The ONLY good thing about the 301 is that a 400 or 455 bolts in its place.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Chev had a 302, 4"bore, and 3" stroke

Dunno if it was for street version or not, but the Transam series was the target, and it ended up with the porcupine heads on it for a bit.

3" stroke and rods long enough for the 9" deck height was considered the recipe, while Ford had different deck heights.

Holden's home grown V-8 in Oz was 8.87" deck height, 3.048" stoke ([censored] was that for), and 3.625 rod length...4" bore for 308c.i and 3.625" bore for 253...number 1 cylinder was (your driver side) forward for steering shaft clearance...chrysler V-8 /buick V6 style above the part line oil pump.


3.625" rod length? seems short.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle

But it had the overwhelming problem that it, well, sucked. Did nothing well...pathetic power, weak durability, and absolutely zero performance potential. The Buick V6 was a better choice...comparable power, better mileage, and vastly superior durability. The ONLY good thing about the 301 is that a 400 or 455 bolts in its place.


I literally just LOL'd, thanks for that

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.


If only they got the heads that were sitting in Smokey's workshop.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/sucp-0305-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-rally-sport/


If you think those are crazy you should check out some of the BOSS-9 heads

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: supton

3.625" rod length? seems short.


Yeah, should have been 5.625

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.


If only they got the heads that were sitting in Smokey's workshop.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/sucp-0305-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-rally-sport/


If you think those are crazy you should check out some of the BOSS-9 heads

Naah...the 427 Cammer was better.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


Naah...the 427 Cammer was better.

During the late 70s and early 80s, Bob Glidden might disagree with you. He didn't want to mess around with the timing chains between each round.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.


If only they got the heads that were sitting in Smokey's workshop.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/sucp-0305-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-rally-sport/


If you think those are crazy you should check out some of the BOSS-9 heads

Naah...the 427 Cammer was better.

The Cammer was an amazing engine but the BOSS-9 got better aftermarket support and continues to be a force in Pro Stock Mountain Motor as far as I'm aware.

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Am I missing something?


Yeah, you're missing two totally different V8 engines.

 

[bdcardinal]

As awesome as the BOSS 9 and 427 cammer engines are, if I were building an older car and wanted something unique, I would try to do whatever I could to get my hands on a road race FR9.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
As awesome as the BOSS 9 and 427 cammer engines are, if I were building an older car and wanted something unique, I would try to do whatever I could to get my hands on a road race FR9.


The freakin' Yates engine? That'd be NUTS! LOL! I'd love to do a modern BOSS 429 with the newer heads and injection. The TASCA Super BOSS is one of my all time favourite cars.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: topbliss
listen to this one.. Fast forward to 30 seconds. Sounds better then a v-12 Italian engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ePczeI8RM


Oh, that warmed my heart!!! Sounds wonderful.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
As awesome as the BOSS 9 and 427 cammer engines are, if I were building an older car and wanted something unique, I would try to do whatever I could to get my hands on a road race FR9.


The freakin' Yates engine? That'd be NUTS! LOL! I'd love to do a modern BOSS 429 with the newer heads and injection. The TASCA Super BOSS is one of my all time favourite cars.




To quote the slutty Hilton sister..........that's hot

 

[bdcardinal]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
As awesome as the BOSS 9 and 427 cammer engines are, if I were building an older car and wanted something unique, I would try to do whatever I could to get my hands on a road race FR9.


The freakin' Yates engine? That'd be NUTS! LOL! I'd love to do a modern BOSS 429 with the newer heads and injection. The TASCA Super BOSS is one of my all time favourite cars.


Yup, and now they come with roller cams and multiport Holley Dominator fuel injection. I have the pic of one as the background on my computer at work. It is fun when the "old guy" customers try to figure out what it is.

This would look really nice in a SN95, or even a 60s Mustang:

 

[OVERKILL]

This guy built a BOSS 9 (using the 494 Can-AM engine, same one as used in the TASCA Super BOSS). Engine dyno'd 777HP, LOL



REALLY nice project

 

[OVERKILL]

Slightly worked BOSS 429 (engine shots after the run) doing a 10-flat @ 142Mph.



Music

 

[OVERKILL]

This is gorgeous and probably the best example of the BOSS 429 sound.

1969 Torino Talladega, 697RWHP @ 6,216RPM

Fast forward to 2:30, the first part of the video is all calibration.

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

The Cammer was an amazing engine but the BOSS-9 got better aftermarket support and continues to be a force in Pro Stock Mountain Motor as far as I'm aware.


The cammer was too limited in bore size compared to the Boss 429. Bigger bore => Bigger valves => More HP
Now if they had made the Cammer 4 valves per cylinder...

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
This is gorgeous and probably the best example of the BOSS 429 sound.

1969 Torino Talladega, 697RWHP @ 6,216RPM

Fast forward to 2:30, the first part of the video is all calibration.




250mph? What does that mean?
Is it how fast the tires are turning at the rpm they said,like 7300rpm.

When he floored it my insides got all hot