"It had a 351 Windsor in it !!..."
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CT8, Larry Perkins, one of the best racers and race engeiners in Oz referred to the Windsor as "the best small block chev that Ford ever built"...he would have preferred the staggered port than the Chev's.
Oz had Windsors early on in the Ford Falcons, and moved to the Clevelands in the early 70s (could get 302 and 351 2V and 4V, up to the early 1980s.
Had 400Ms available at some stage also.
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
Paul Halstead, the importer of DeTomaso's bought the last runs, and the DeTomasos were Oz engined for quite a while.
Oz had Windsors early on in the Ford Falcons, and moved to the Clevelands in the early 70s (could get 302 and 351 2V and 4V, up to the early 1980s.
Had 400Ms available at some stage also.
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
Paul Halstead, the importer of DeTomaso's bought the last runs, and the DeTomasos were Oz engined for quite a while.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
And a lot of the Aussie heads were imported to the U.S. because they had the small 4V combustion chambers and the high-velocity intake runners, something that Ford should have done in the U.S.
I've got a '71 Cougar with about 70K miles sporting the 351 Cleveland sitting in my garage.
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
And a lot of the Aussie heads were imported to the U.S. because they had the small 4V combustion chambers and the high-velocity intake runners, something that Ford should have done in the U.S.
I've got a '71 Cougar with about 70K miles sporting the 351 Cleveland sitting in my garage.
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Wasn't that the Poncho 301? I recall (though not well, so I could be wrong) it being a raging turd
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Wasn't that the Poncho 301? I recall (though not well, so I could be wrong) it being a raging turd
Chev had a 302, 4"bore, and 3" stroke
Dunno if it was for street version or not, but the Transam series was the target, and it ended up with the porcupine heads on it for a bit.
3" stroke and rods long enough for the 9" deck height was considered the recipe, while Ford had different deck heights.
Holden's home grown V-8 in Oz was 8.87" deck height, 3.048" stoke ([censored] was that for), and 3.625 rod length...4" bore for 308c.i and 3.625" bore for 253...number 1 cylinder was (your driver side) forward for steering shaft clearance...chrysler V-8 /buick V6 style above the part line oil pump.
Dunno if it was for street version or not, but the Transam series was the target, and it ended up with the porcupine heads on it for a bit.
3" stroke and rods long enough for the 9" deck height was considered the recipe, while Ford had different deck heights.
Holden's home grown V-8 in Oz was 8.87" deck height, 3.048" stoke ([censored] was that for), and 3.625 rod length...4" bore for 308c.i and 3.625" bore for 253...number 1 cylinder was (your driver side) forward for steering shaft clearance...chrysler V-8 /buick V6 style above the part line oil pump.
Hopefully everyone has taken good notes on these details. There will be a 25 question quiz this afternoon. And your performance on this quiz will impact your final grade for the course.
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Chev had a 302, 4"bore, and 3" stroke
Dunno if it was for street version or not, but the Transam series was the target, and it ended up with the porcupine heads on it for a bit.
3" stroke and rods long enough for the 9" deck height was considered the recipe, while Ford had different deck heights.
Holden's home grown V-8 in Oz was 8.87" deck height, 3.048" stoke ([censored] was that for), and 3.625 rod length...4" bore for 308c.i and 3.625" bore for 253...number 1 cylinder was (your driver side) forward for steering shaft clearance...chrysler V-8 /buick V6 style above the part line oil pump.
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.
Chev had a 302, 4"bore, and 3" stroke
Dunno if it was for street version or not, but the Transam series was the target, and it ended up with the porcupine heads on it for a bit.
3" stroke and rods long enough for the 9" deck height was considered the recipe, while Ford had different deck heights.
Holden's home grown V-8 in Oz was 8.87" deck height, 3.048" stoke ([censored] was that for), and 3.625 rod length...4" bore for 308c.i and 3.625" bore for 253...number 1 cylinder was (your driver side) forward for steering shaft clearance...chrysler V-8 /buick V6 style above the part line oil pump.
The Chevy 302 was sold in the Camaro over here and yes, was their Trans-Am engine, like Ford's BOSS 302. It was, IIRC, a 327 block with a 283 crank. The heads did not have the same flow potential (due to the lack of canted valves) as the SBF heads however but they worked well. A good friend of mine has a set on his 350.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
CT8, Larry Perkins, one of the best racers and race engeiners in Oz referred to the Windsor as "the best small block chev that Ford ever built"...he would have preferred the staggered port than the Chev's.
Oz had Windsors early on in the Ford Falcons, and moved to the Clevelands in the early 70s (could get 302 and 351 2V and 4V, up to the early 1980s.
Had 400Ms available at some stage also.
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
Paul Halstead, the importer of DeTomaso's bought the last runs, and the DeTomasos were Oz engined for quite a while.
Back in the day one of my friends had a Pantera. I was at his house and when I saw the heads on the workbench I said they look like big block chevy heard as I was familiar with Big block Chevy heads because of using them in my boats.
CT8, Larry Perkins, one of the best racers and race engeiners in Oz referred to the Windsor as "the best small block chev that Ford ever built"...he would have preferred the staggered port than the Chev's.
Oz had Windsors early on in the Ford Falcons, and moved to the Clevelands in the early 70s (could get 302 and 351 2V and 4V, up to the early 1980s.
Had 400Ms available at some stage also.
Oz was the last holdout on the 351 Cleveland, as we were producing them in country to the mid 80s.
Paul Halstead, the importer of DeTomaso's bought the last runs, and the DeTomasos were Oz engined for quite a while.
Back in the day one of my friends had a Pantera. I was at his house and when I saw the heads on the workbench I said they look like big block chevy heard as I was familiar with Big block Chevy heads because of using them in my boats.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
The thing I remember about the Poncho 301 (other than it being the turbo engine in the Knight Rider generation Trans Am) is that it was about the *only* Pontiac v8 engine of that era that had a truly GOOD (as opposed to "it'll work OK") rod/stroke ratio, as it was a destroked.... somethingorother bigger than 301.
Basically a short-decked Pontiac big-block, which like the Buick big-blocks weighed in about the same or less than a Chevy smallblock.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
The thing I remember about the Poncho 301 (other than it being the turbo engine in the Knight Rider generation Trans Am) is that it was about the *only* Pontiac v8 engine of that era that had a truly GOOD (as opposed to "it'll work OK") rod/stroke ratio, as it was a destroked.... somethingorother bigger than 301.
Basically a short-decked Pontiac big-block, which like the Buick big-blocks weighed in about the same or less than a Chevy smallblock.Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: DSparks
"Modified" aka fords b asta rd child ...is what they really were lol
They out lived the Chevy trans am 302s at the race track. I was there!
Chevy won the '69 TransAm championship because the 302 Boss Ford was unreliable. It had oiling system problems.
Originally Posted By: DSparks
"Modified" aka fords b asta rd child ...is what they really were lol
They out lived the Chevy trans am 302s at the race track. I was there!
Chevy won the '69 TransAm championship because the 302 Boss Ford was unreliable. It had oiling system problems.
Okay, best I recall, the 351 in my big sisters XR-7 Cougar was marked as 351-CJ.
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: DSparks
"Modified" aka fords b asta rd child ...is what they really were lol
They out lived the Chevy trans am 302s at the race track. I was there!
Chevy won the '69 TransAm championship because the 302 Boss Ford was unreliable. It had oiling system problems.
That's ironic given that it (the Windsor) has the better oiling system, LOL! (and better than the Cleveland too).
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: DSparks
"Modified" aka fords b asta rd child ...is what they really were lol
They out lived the Chevy trans am 302s at the race track. I was there!
Chevy won the '69 TransAm championship because the 302 Boss Ford was unreliable. It had oiling system problems.
That's ironic given that it (the Windsor) has the better oiling system, LOL! (and better than the Cleveland too).
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Originally Posted By: Win
Okay, best I recall, the 351 in my big sisters XR-7 Cougar was marked as 351-CJ.
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
That was a Cobra Jet, a version of the 351 Cleveland.
Okay, best I recall, the 351 in my big sisters XR-7 Cougar was marked as 351-CJ.
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
That was a Cobra Jet, a version of the 351 Cleveland.
Originally Posted By: Win
Okay, best I recall, the 351 in my big sisters XR-7 Cougar was marked as 351-CJ.
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
Both the Windsor and Cleveland were offered in 1971 in the Cougar. The 351W had a 2 barrel carb and the 351C had a 4 barrel. If your sister was really cool she had the 429SCJ.
Okay, best I recall, the 351 in my big sisters XR-7 Cougar was marked as 351-CJ.
Can't recall the year - 70's something, the model after the "little" Cougar, but before the "big" ones started in '74 or '75.
I'm thinking it was a '71. I remember it had a pretty throaty exhaust note for a luxury car.
Where does that fit into this?
Both the Windsor and Cleveland were offered in 1971 in the Cougar. The 351W had a 2 barrel carb and the 351C had a 4 barrel. If your sister was really cool she had the 429SCJ.
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
Yes; they were Pontiac engines and they did not have enough power to get out of their own way--major POS. The turbos were no better because GM used a turbo sized for a V6. I jerked a normally aspirated one out of my 1980 T/A and dropped a built 455 into it. The Pontiac 301 engine shared the same B&S, but was in no way similar to the Chevy. The heads on the Pontiac 301 were choked to the max and with all of the emissions added as well as the 2.41 or 2.29 rear axles (this was GM's effort at fuel economy), they were complete dogs.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: jhs914
Ah yes. Brings back memories. 7000 rpm in a pushrod American V8.
There used to be a 302 '55 Chevy at the local drag strip that ran at least an 8000 rpm redline. The setup was to use a 327 block [4" bore] and a 283 crank [3" stroke], but we called them 301's back before the Z28 came out Chevy called it a 302). Open headers and that thing screamed!
GM had an engine with the same bore & stroke (4"x3") that they actually DID call a 301.
Weren't they common is the late 70s/early 80s in pontiacs. I swear I saw a trans am with 4.9 stamped on the shaker hood. I know it was an 8 cylinder.
Yes; they were Pontiac engines and they did not have enough power to get out of their own way--major POS. The turbos were no better because GM used a turbo sized for a V6. I jerked a normally aspirated one out of my 1980 T/A and dropped a built 455 into it. The Pontiac 301 engine shared the same B&S, but was in no way similar to the Chevy. The heads on the Pontiac 301 were choked to the max and with all of the emissions added as well as the 2.41 or 2.29 rear axles (this was GM's effort at fuel economy), they were complete dogs.
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