Bit of a silly question I agree but is there a brand that is a "stay away from" brand
Is there any oil that is bad?
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Something called "Pitt Penn" failed badly. Someone will post a link I am sure.
I would probably gonna get ripped for that, but I personally would stay away from Redline since I had horrible experience with their PS fluid. I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can't speak for Amsoil since I've never used it because it's hard to get in my area. And I'm not planning to travel 20-30 miles one way just to buy oil.
I personally also stay away from generic brand oils like SuperTech, Oreilly, and etc.
Can't speak for Amsoil since I've never used it because it's hard to get in my area. And I'm not planning to travel 20-30 miles one way just to buy oil.
I personally also stay away from generic brand oils like SuperTech, Oreilly, and etc.
Some API oils that are not SM are still being made and sold in different places, under different names. Oldest spec I've seen was SL, but the PQI website lists several, including one that would only be suitable for a 1920s era car (rated SA I think).
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Originally Posted By: unixguru
I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can you offer even a shred of evidence to that effect? Of course not!
I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can you offer even a shred of evidence to that effect? Of course not!
Originally Posted By: unixguru
I would probably gonna get ripped for that, but I personally would stay away from Redline since I had horrible experience with their PS fluid. I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can't speak for Amsoil since I've never used it because it's hard to get in my area. And I'm not planning to travel 20-30 miles one way just to buy oil.
I personally also stay away from generic brand oils like SuperTech, Oreilly, and etc.
I would buy and use Redline without a second thought if it were priced closer to the PP I use now. RP I wouldn't use (personal choice and preference). With Supertech you get what you pay for and nothing extra. After looking at a few UOAs on it, I would rather pay the extra $2 or $3 bucks for a jug of QS GB, PYB, or GTX (our three regular dino rollbacks here lately).
I avoid no name oils in general.
-Spyder
I would probably gonna get ripped for that, but I personally would stay away from Redline since I had horrible experience with their PS fluid. I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can't speak for Amsoil since I've never used it because it's hard to get in my area. And I'm not planning to travel 20-30 miles one way just to buy oil.
I personally also stay away from generic brand oils like SuperTech, Oreilly, and etc.
I would buy and use Redline without a second thought if it were priced closer to the PP I use now. RP I wouldn't use (personal choice and preference). With Supertech you get what you pay for and nothing extra. After looking at a few UOAs on it, I would rather pay the extra $2 or $3 bucks for a jug of QS GB, PYB, or GTX (our three regular dino rollbacks here lately).
I avoid no name oils in general.
-Spyder
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http://www.pqiamerica.com/PittPenn4-2010.htm
Advisory: Whereas the label on the PittPenn Quality Motor Oil bottle sampled does not say the product meets API SM ILSAC GF-4, its positioning on the shelf at a recognized retail chain, use of terms "API" and "Quality" on the label, and lack of information specific to the API Service level the product does meet, could result in a reasonable person assuming this engine oil can be used in their vehicle as long as the vehicle is not new. Based on the test results for this sample, this could be a dangerous assumption.
Although PittPenn Quality Motor Oil does meet the SAE requirements for a 10w30, it does not meet the requirements for an API SM ILSAC GF-4 engine oil. The product's volatility of 22 exceeds the maximum of 15, and the phosphorus content at 161ppm is below the 600 required to meet API SM ILSAC GF-4. In addition, whereas there are no API requirements for some of the other parameters examined, the data shown for TBN, calcium, and zinc are only 10 to 20% of what one would expect to see in an engine oil meant for use in virtually any passenger car currently on the road.
Also of concern is the 26ppm of silicon in the sample. Whereas silicone antifoam agents are commonly used in engine oils to suppress and inhibit foaming, the concentration of silicon attributed to antifoam agents is typically less than 1ppm in an engine oil. Concerning is that high silicon levels can be an indication of abrasive contaminants in a lubricant. A silicon level of 26ppm in a used engine oil sample, for example, typically results in a recommendation to change the oil due to the likelihood of abrasive contamination.
As a matter of standard operating procedure, the Petroleum Quality Institute of America attempted to contact PittPenn to discuss the sample data. The company's telephone is disconnected.
Advisory: Whereas the label on the PittPenn Quality Motor Oil bottle sampled does not say the product meets API SM ILSAC GF-4, its positioning on the shelf at a recognized retail chain, use of terms "API" and "Quality" on the label, and lack of information specific to the API Service level the product does meet, could result in a reasonable person assuming this engine oil can be used in their vehicle as long as the vehicle is not new. Based on the test results for this sample, this could be a dangerous assumption.
Although PittPenn Quality Motor Oil does meet the SAE requirements for a 10w30, it does not meet the requirements for an API SM ILSAC GF-4 engine oil. The product's volatility of 22 exceeds the maximum of 15, and the phosphorus content at 161ppm is below the 600 required to meet API SM ILSAC GF-4. In addition, whereas there are no API requirements for some of the other parameters examined, the data shown for TBN, calcium, and zinc are only 10 to 20% of what one would expect to see in an engine oil meant for use in virtually any passenger car currently on the road.
Also of concern is the 26ppm of silicon in the sample. Whereas silicone antifoam agents are commonly used in engine oils to suppress and inhibit foaming, the concentration of silicon attributed to antifoam agents is typically less than 1ppm in an engine oil. Concerning is that high silicon levels can be an indication of abrasive contaminants in a lubricant. A silicon level of 26ppm in a used engine oil sample, for example, typically results in a recommendation to change the oil due to the likelihood of abrasive contamination.
As a matter of standard operating procedure, the Petroleum Quality Institute of America attempted to contact PittPenn to discuss the sample data. The company's telephone is disconnected.
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: unixguru
I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can you offer even a shred of evidence to that effect? Of course not!
I can. Compare the specs.
RP compares to dino oils.
Originally Posted By: unixguru
I also would not use Royal Purple or any other boutique oils. Any major available brand synthetic will most likely perform better than any of those overpriced oils.
Can you offer even a shred of evidence to that effect? Of course not!
I can. Compare the specs.
RP compares to dino oils.
ACCEL brand SA 'Motor Oil' sold at Wally.
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
That PittPenn is some nasty looking stuff. Test data reads like unrefined used oil that was collected from different bulk recycle barrels and simply re-bottled. Like that part about their phone being disconnected. Wow.
-Spyder
-Spyder
Pitt Penn is frightening. It's one of the only oils tested by the Petroleum Quality Institute of America to fail almost every API-based test given. (As a qualifier, I have NO IDEA who the PQIoA is.... But their findings do seem to line up nicely with the info on BITOG in the UOA/VOA sections).
Originally Posted By: sayjac
ACCEL brand SA 'Motor Oil' sold at Wally.
It is the wrong API rating for modern engines[most all] but is it a bad oil? The oil that doesn't meet the rating claims is a bad oil.
ACCEL brand SA 'Motor Oil' sold at Wally.
It is the wrong API rating for modern engines[most all] but is it a bad oil? The oil that doesn't meet the rating claims is a bad oil.
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
Why, the specs are the same.
You're the one who thinks RP is something beyond the label specs. The burden is on you to prove it....but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
Why, the specs are the same.
You're the one who thinks RP is something beyond the label specs. The burden is on you to prove it....but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
Short for lube bay pit pennzoil.Get it Pitt-Penn?
Originally Posted By: unixguru
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
I would agree but there always is a but! There are some botique made products that aren't available from the usuall major brands .
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
I would agree but there always is a but! There are some botique made products that aren't available from the usuall major brands .
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: sayjac
ACCEL brand SA 'Motor Oil' sold at Wally.
It is the wrong API rating for modern engines[most all] but is it a bad oil? The oil that doesn't meet the rating claims is a bad oil.
Unless you have a Model T you drive around, its a bad oil. See many of those on your streets. The problem is these oils tend
to over state their "quality" and bury their ancient API rating somewhere on the back of the bottle, while they're sold on shelves next to accepted brand names like Castrol, etc.
Most consumers don't know what an API rating means, let alone its significance. They simply infer they're getting a no name version of something close to the brand name, just a bit cheaper - like no name brands at grocery stores.
So yes, it is a bad oil.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: sayjac
ACCEL brand SA 'Motor Oil' sold at Wally.
It is the wrong API rating for modern engines[most all] but is it a bad oil? The oil that doesn't meet the rating claims is a bad oil.
Unless you have a Model T you drive around, its a bad oil. See many of those on your streets. The problem is these oils tend
to over state their "quality" and bury their ancient API rating somewhere on the back of the bottle, while they're sold on shelves next to accepted brand names like Castrol, etc.
Most consumers don't know what an API rating means, let alone its significance. They simply infer they're getting a no name version of something close to the brand name, just a bit cheaper - like no name brands at grocery stores.
So yes, it is a bad oil.
-Spyder
"Grocery store" band oils. Most worked out ok. I've been impressed by Wal-Mart's SuperTech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/PrivatelabelApril2010.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/PrivatelabelApril2010.htm
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Originally Posted By: unixguru
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
In the last paragraph I meant money and time on boutique oils...
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
You can "compare" anything to anything else. It's crazy to say "ANY" major brand is better than any "boutique" oil. Ya really think RP = dino? Gimme a break.
If you read my post I said 'most likely'. Please don't get wound up about this. By major brands I meant synthetic Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, Valvoline. All those oils showed excellent results in UOAs. Even mineral and synthetic blend oils from those companies show outstanding results when used at reasonable OCIs.
Thus, I *personally* don't see any reason to spend money (and what's more important time for searching) on those oils.
In the last paragraph I meant money and time on boutique oils...
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