Is there a dino oil, that has shown proven 5000 mile UOA's

[Blue99]

Here is the MSDS sheet for the Conoco synthetic blend that is required as the "twin" of the Motorcraft Syn Blends. Motorcraft is formulated by ConocoPhillips.

Conoco 5W-20, 5w30 Synthetic Blends

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I am not questioning the veracity of those that claim it is, just that the information is so new I am giving it the test of time before accepting it as reality.

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This is probably the most common sense statement we've had on the GF-4 Mobil DC issue.

Waitng for the documentation to verify this issue is not going harm anyone. If it is indeed Grp III, it has been for several months & will still be Grp III next month.

Lots of discussion material will be available as we learn more about the add packs that are required to pass the GF-4/SM engine tests for oxidation, deposits & fuel economy.

 

[Gene K]

Removed until I am sure I understand the process Mobil uses to produce the lowend 120 VI Group III.

Gene

[ December 12, 2004, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: Gene K ]

 

[Blue99]

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DC may be all group III except for the Group I Carrier. If it is it is likely Solvent Dewaxed to the best of my knowledge (Mobil is the largest producer of Solvent Dewaxed Group III).

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Rather than a Solvent Dewaxed Grp III, how about a solvent extracted feedstock that is hydro-cracked/hydro-finished to get a 120+ VI oil base stock?

Gene, I'm going to PM a link to you for a published ExxonMobil article. Please review it & come back here with your comments.

Blue99

 

[Gene K]

I would appreciate the link. I may have misunderstood the process that Mobil uses to produce a Quote: "a Solvent Extracted Group III". I knew the process produced a low-end Group III basestock that was roughly on-par with a conventional Group II+/III Synthetic Blend.

Gene

 

[The Critic]

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Originally posted by SWS:

I am puzzled that you seem concerned about the oil brand and initial oil change intervals, when to do a UOA, etc, yet you want to use dino on 5000 mile OCI. Why not use synth oil? There are many benefits of synth over dino, and I think that you could easily exceed 5000 mi OCI. I switched my Camry to Mobil 1 5w30 this past summer at 60K miles and observe that this oil is better suited for my hot-headed Camry.

Best Wishes as you motor along!

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I can answer your questions. First, the only reason that I mentioned the brand is that I can get Chevron Dino 5w30 for $0.59/quart. I was wondering if this oil will perform well or not for 5,000 mile drains. Second, I did some calculations and found out that it is cheaper to change my oil/filter with dino and LC every 5,000 miles than to change my oil/filter every 3,000 miles and is definitely cheaper than changing my oil/filter with Mobil 1 every 7,500 miles. Even doing an Auto-RX treatment every 30,000 miles in addition to the 5,000 mile drains with dino and LC is cheaper than the 3K drains on dino. The reason why I'm trying to avoid the UOA is possible is because for the $30 I spend on the UOA, I could have changed my oil four times. Hope that answers your questions.

Michael

 

[SWS]

Michael,
Wow, $0.59/qt is great! I'm no expert, but it appears that you have considered everything very well and I think that your plan will be successful. As I see it, the main thing is that you are paying close attention maintenance issues for your very nice car, and that will save you a lot of money in the long-term!

Depending on your mind-set, perhaps you will like what I do to minimize the cost of Synth for my 3 cars --> ask for motor oil for Christmas and your birthday!

Best Regards,

SWS

 

[Bryanccfshr]

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Originally posted by Basser:
Gene K: Because Motorcraft synthetic blend uses only 50% so called synthetic(group III base) whereas Mobil Drive Clean dino is nearly 100% Group III base (the so-called synthetic). It just isn't advertised as a synthetic,(because Mobil only considers Group IV a synthetic), and it's $1.17/quart at Wal-Mart.

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I have not seen any data proving that DC is 100% grp III base. Howeve I am sure it is a well refined and quality oil. I think too much emphasis is being placed on the base oils and not enough on the additives. IfI see a benefit to DC over MC for example I will switch, I am not at all loyal. But This DC following seems to be a push without any substance. Show me some data and I will buuy into it.

 

[TomJones76]

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Originally posted by michaelc80:

If you're going to do long OCI's, doing a UOA makes sense. But for short OCI's like 5000 miles, it makes more sense to me to put in something like M1 (just as readily available and only marginally more expensive) and go the 5000 miles with peace of mind knowing it's working.

Then do a UOA every year or two so you know how your engine is doing.

Just my $0.05 worth...

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Good input. So long as you are under warranty, I'd suggest changing oil at the factory reccomended OCI and running a UOA every 10,000 miles or so. Doing that will provide you evidence in case you ever have problems redeeming your warranty protection.