Is Pennzoil Platinum enough?

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Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Why is it some feel their engine is dirty or in need of cleaning . An engine will always have some accumulation of crud , varnish or whatever but rarely if ever will it cause an issue during the life of that engine . As long as one does resonable length OCI's using the recommended oil viscosity and and of course a known brand of oil filter what can happen unless there is a mechanical failure in the oiling system (pump , pickup tube falls off)or excess oil contamination by antifreeze or fuel?

In the case the engine has rarely or never had oil changes , well that would be the exception.......otherwise.....

NOTHING ! , your engine will be perfectly fine
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I'm sorry, but any accumulation of crud is not ok in modern engines. Especially variable valve timing and its tiny oil passages. You plug your VVT with crud, your screwed. Years ago before VVT I agree, it didn't matter.
 
You should click the link I posted. I have noticed considerable consumption drop using these oils. It never leaked so that tells me it was cleaning the ringpacs.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
There are plenty of documented cases where people have taken good care of cars and had the sludge up or serious varnish accumulation that impeded the performance of the engine. Do a little searching before making blanket statements


May be a few poorly designed engines that had noted problems but for most if you do regular oil changes why worry .

I worked as a mechanic for many years and only 2 times did I see engines fail due to neglected oil changes and the build up of sludge that caused their failure (oil starvation to a bearing surface) . I've never seen an engine that had fairly regular servicing fail...never , unless by a failure outside of the oiling system or abuse .

Now , if you have bought a vehicle and know it does have an issue because of poor sevicing by the previous owner then you should have some concern and do some short term OCI's to try and clean some of it out . But even then it's unlikely it will cause an problem and really it's likely best just to leave it alone and not try anything in the way of cleaning additives.
 
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Which brings me to another point. If you buy used, like I do, its a good idea to run a high quality syn for a while just incase the previous owner was neglectful.

And the whole point of this thread is that PP cleans well enough that an additive may not be needed in some cases.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Which brings me to another point. If you buy used, like I do, its a good idea to run a high quality syn for a while just incase the previous owner was neglectful.

And the whole point of this thread is that PP cleans well enough that an additive may not be needed in some cases.


Running PP is a fine idea , it's the MMO , Seafoam and Kreen guys that jump into each of these threads claiming you MUST use these to clean your engine or else it's doomsday for it
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. Just gets kind of old....know what I'm saying ?
 
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
That finger is frightening. It is NOT emulsified. Its hardened rough looking mass like chunks. Get that in the VVT and your screwed. What was the combo that caused that again?


I wouldn't worry about getting it in the VVT. Remember, that has its own filter; and it's on the "clean" side of the primary filter anyway.

Incidentally, when I pulled mine a couple weeks ago to clean it, it was pretty much spotless.
 
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Which brings me to another point. If you buy used, like I do, its a good idea to run a high quality syn for a while just incase the previous owner was neglectful.

And the whole point of this thread is that PP cleans well enough that an additive may not be needed in some cases.


Running PP is a fine idea , it's the MMO , Seafoam and Kreen guys that jump into each of these threads claiming you MUST use these to clean your engine or else it's doomsday for it
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. Just gets kind of old....know what I'm saying ?


Yeah I hear ya. I have run kreen and mmo. But the reality of it is MOST of the time, unless its so bad that manual cleaning is needed, a good syn will clean an ngine up in time. Additives like kreen and mmo just speed things along.

These additives also work pretty good for noisy lifters or tensioners and other hydraulics where a little build up can cause a lot of racket.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Which brings me to another point. If you buy used, like I do, its a good idea to run a high quality syn for a while just incase the previous owner was neglectful.

And the whole point of this thread is that PP cleans well enough that an additive may not be needed in some cases.


Running PP is a fine idea , it's the MMO , Seafoam and Kreen guys that jump into each of these threads claiming you MUST use these to clean your engine or else it's doomsday for it
laugh.gif
. Just gets kind of old....know what I'm saying ?


Yeah I hear ya. I have run kreen and mmo. But the reality of it is MOST of the time, unless its so bad that manual cleaning is needed, a good syn will clean an ngine up in time. Additives like kreen and mmo just speed things along.

These additives also work pretty good for noisy lifters or tensioners and other hydraulics where a little build up can cause a lot of racket.


They speed things up but there is the danger of it . Best to go slow and steady with a good motor oil and shorter OCI's for a while .
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is one other thing. Assuming that Pennzoil Platinum or Pennzoil Ultra (if you can find it) will clean an engine, some say that no oil will clean the rings. So maybe a person would still need something, like MMO in the gasoline or BG-44K to really get the entire engine clean. The upper part of the engine might need a special cleaner.

At the Pennzoil website they claim that in actual testing the Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Valvoline Synpower and Castrol Edge in cleaning. The Pennzoil Ultra outperformed the Pennzoil Platinum. Also, both of those outperformed Pennzoil conventional motor oil in cleaning.


Question, have you even figured out if your engine is "dirty" or are you simply looking for a feel-good validation that what you're doing is good for your engine?

Because nearest I can figure you don't know that and you plan to test it by "assum(ing) it is cleaning" by "if it turns really dark". Not a good start on these forums; people like me tend to prefer actual rational science.
 
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Which brings me to another point. If you buy used, like I do, its a good idea to run a high quality syn for a while just incase the previous owner was neglectful.

And the whole point of this thread is that PP cleans well enough that an additive may not be needed in some cases.


Running PP is a fine idea , it's the MMO , Seafoam and Kreen guys that jump into each of these threads claiming you MUST use these to clean your engine or else it's doomsday for it
laugh.gif
. Just gets kind of old....know what I'm saying ?


Yeah I hear ya. I have run kreen and mmo. But the reality of it is MOST of the time, unless its so bad that manual cleaning is needed, a good syn will clean an ngine up in time. Additives like kreen and mmo just speed things along.

These additives also work pretty good for noisy lifters or tensioners and other hydraulics where a little build up can cause a lot of racket.


They speed things up but there is the danger of it . Best to go slow and steady with a good motor oil and shorter OCI's for a while .


A lot of people have that opinion. But from my experience MMO and kreen are better at dissolving the hard crusty stuff rather than just breaking it loose.
MMO is probably the safest of the two because its actually an oil.

But I can honestly tell you I have ran both adds and never had any kind of engine problems. But if you dont feel safe using an additive then dont and nobody should push you either. Lots of guys do just fine with a quality oil, its just some of us are impatient.

When it comes right down to it, you are the one responsible for your car's well being and you have to go with what you feel is right.
 
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is one other thing. Assuming that Pennzoil Platinum or Pennzoil Ultra (if you can find it) will clean an engine, some say that no oil will clean the rings. So maybe a person would still need something, like MMO in the gasoline or BG-44K to really get the entire engine clean. The upper part of the engine might need a special cleaner.

At the Pennzoil website they claim that in actual testing the Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Valvoline Synpower and Castrol Edge in cleaning. The Pennzoil Ultra outperformed the Pennzoil Platinum. Also, both of those outperformed Pennzoil conventional motor oil in cleaning.


Question, have you even figured out if your engine is "dirty" or are you simply looking for a feel-good validation that what you're doing is good for your engine?

Because nearest I can figure you don't know that and you plan to test it by "assum(ing) it is cleaning" by "if it turns really dark". Not a good start on these forums; people like me tend to prefer actual rational science.


Sort of what I'm trying to get at is the reasoning I see of a lot of members on here that feel their engine needs to be cleaned just because they see some brownish varnish coating inside where the oil filler cap is . Heck , back when engines were all cast iron you never saw these varnish coatings/deposits because the castings were dark to begin with , not a semi shiny silver .
I'm trying to sort the reasoning from a mechanics point of view
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Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is one other thing. Assuming that Pennzoil Platinum or Pennzoil Ultra (if you can find it) will clean an engine, some say that no oil will clean the rings. So maybe a person would still need something, like MMO in the gasoline or BG-44K to really get the entire engine clean. The upper part of the engine might need a special cleaner.

At the Pennzoil website they claim that in actual testing the Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Valvoline Synpower and Castrol Edge in cleaning. The Pennzoil Ultra outperformed the Pennzoil Platinum. Also, both of those outperformed Pennzoil conventional motor oil in cleaning.


Question, have you even figured out if your engine is "dirty" or are you simply looking for a feel-good validation that what you're doing is good for your engine?

Because nearest I can figure you don't know that and you plan to test it by "assum(ing) it is cleaning" by "if it turns really dark". Not a good start on these forums; people like me tend to prefer actual rational science.


You do realize your talking to one of the oldest active members on bitog right? Maybe you oughta back off the sarcasm a bit.

You been here what? Six months? Maybe it would be a good idea to listen to what old school bitogers have to say rather than bash em.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
You do realize your talking to one of the oldest active members on bitog right? Maybe you oughta back off the sarcasm a bit.

You been here what? Six months? Maybe it would be a good idea to listen to what old school bitogers have to say rather than bash em.


You've just thrown all your credibility down the toilet as far as my opinion is concerned. Just because you've sat on a computer on this forum for a long time doesn't mean you're free from explaining your theories in a rational fashion. In fact what you just did suggests to me that you have no idea what is going on in Mystic's engine: you're just seeking validation, and now you're seeking validation based on your join date on this forum.

Not working. Nearest I can figure you're solving a problem that isn't there.

Edit: What is even funnier is I was referring to Mystic, not you, but thanks for hijacking my response to Mystic's post in Mystic's thread so you could get offended that nobody was listening to your advice without question and praising you for being here for so long.
 
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Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is one other thing. Assuming that Pennzoil Platinum or Pennzoil Ultra (if you can find it) will clean an engine, some say that no oil will clean the rings. So maybe a person would still need something, like MMO in the gasoline or BG-44K to really get the entire engine clean. The upper part of the engine might need a special cleaner.

At the Pennzoil website they claim that in actual testing the Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Valvoline Synpower and Castrol Edge in cleaning. The Pennzoil Ultra outperformed the Pennzoil Platinum. Also, both of those outperformed Pennzoil conventional motor oil in cleaning.


Question, have you even figured out if your engine is "dirty" or are you simply looking for a feel-good validation that what you're doing is good for your engine?

Because nearest I can figure you don't know that and you plan to test it by "assum(ing) it is cleaning" by "if it turns really dark". Not a good start on these forums; people like me tend to prefer actual rational science.


Sort of what I'm trying to get at is the reasoning I see of a lot of members on here that feel their engine needs to be cleaned just because they see some brownish varnish coating inside where the oil filler cap is . Heck , back when engines were all cast iron you never saw these varnish coatings/deposits because the castings were dark to begin with , not a semi shiny silver .
I'm trying to sort the reasoning from a mechanics point of view
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I think a lot of it has to do with the feeling you get from having a clean engine. Lol
Kinda like bragging rights. There are a few engines where heavy varnish can effect stuff, like my 5.4 but most of them it dont. It feels good to have a clean engine. And you hope if its clean as new it will last longer...right?
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For example, my explorer looks factory new inside. The tech who replaced the vc and oilpan gaskets said he was surprised it had that many miles on it. It felt really good! Like its been well taken care of and will last forever. But thats just a feeling.
 
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: electrolover
You do realize your talking to one of the oldest active members on bitog right? Maybe you oughta back off the sarcasm a bit.

You been here what? Six months? Maybe it would be a good idea to listen to what old school bitogers have to say rather than bash em.


You've just thrown all your credibility down the toilet as far as my opinion is concerned. Just because you've sat on a computer on this forum for a long time doesn't mean you're free from explaining your theories in a rational fashion. In fact what you just did suggests to me that you have no idea what is going on in Mystic's engine: you're just seeking validation, and now you're seeking validation based on your join date on this forum.

Not working. Nearest I can figure you're solving a problem that isn't there.

Edit: What is even funnier is I was referring to Mystic, not you, but thanks for hijacking my response to Mystic's post in Mystic's thread so you could get offended that nobody was listening to your advice without question and praising you for being here for so long.



I haven't been here long. Mystic has been here since 03. Im saying maybe you should be a little nicer instead of sarcastic. Its comments like yours that make old school bitogers quit the site or just stop posting in popular forums. They get tired of having to validate themselves to noobs and getting scoffed at. Ao what im saying is we dont have a lot left so BE COOL and dont run this one off

And btw you should practice reading comprehension because I wasn't talking about myself at all
 
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A clean engine well maintained is definately a good thing but I find some OCD about it and too many other issues that really aren't issues unless you make them issues...LOL .
Doesn't hurt to have that "feel good" thing happening , [censored] I still love to change my oil and see a clean dipstick . Does the engine run better ?.....don't know for sure but I know I feel good about having done it anyway .
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
If I owned a car that needed cleaning, I would probably do the same as what I do with my new cars. I'd start out with one oil, then feel like trying another one out because of good mojo on bitog. I would then change to another for the same reason on the next OCI.

The end result would be a much cleaner engine. The different formulations of cleansers would attack the deposits in their own unique ways, at full concentration, one at a time. I follow the same theory with gasoline.

The same goes for war. Bomb them, then shell them, perhaps some cruise missiles and then frontal assault.



Missed this one....Hahahahaha !!
Pure Texas sarcasm
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I've seen the pictures that sparked this thread and I too was impressed. I've been trying to clean my dirty previously neglected Jeep for about 23-24k with short OCI's, MMO you name the "cleaning" oils and progress has been agonizingly slow. The only results I've actually been able to detect have been with Castrol HM.

I am now considering a run of Ultra after what I've seen. But I've got an awful lot of oil on deck so I'm undecided.
 
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is one other thing. Assuming that Pennzoil Platinum or Pennzoil Ultra (if you can find it) will clean an engine, some say that no oil will clean the rings. So maybe a person would still need something, like MMO in the gasoline or BG-44K to really get the entire engine clean. The upper part of the engine might need a special cleaner.

At the Pennzoil website they claim that in actual testing the Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Valvoline Synpower and Castrol Edge in cleaning. The Pennzoil Ultra outperformed the Pennzoil Platinum. Also, both of those outperformed Pennzoil conventional motor oil in cleaning.


Question, have you even figured out if your engine is "dirty" or are you simply looking for a feel-good validation that what you're doing is good for your engine?

Because nearest I can figure you don't know that and you plan to test it by "assum(ing) it is cleaning" by "if it turns really dark". Not a good start on these forums; people like me tend to prefer actual rational science.


Anecdotes, not data, is the norm anymore.

And of course, Pennzoil will say that their oil outperforms the competition. Why wouldn't they? They want you to buy *their* oil afterall
 
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