Is Multi ATF Real ?

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Hi.
Today i have come across to this product.
https://www.motul.com/us/en-us/products/multi-atf
It meets the requirements: (They reworded it as OEM PERFORMANCES: however.
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OPEL VAUXHALL GM 1940700, OPEL VAUXHALL GM 1940767, OPEL VAUXHALL GM 21005966 TRANSAXLE, OPEL VAUXHALL GM 2217466, FUCHS TITAN 3353, TEXACO N402, BMW 81 22 9 400 272, MINI 81 22 9 400 272, HYUNDAI SP II, HYUNDAI DEX-II, CHRYSLER ATF+, HONDA 082000-9001, HONDA SPECIAL ATF HONDA, HONDA SPECIAL HONDA POWER STEERING FLUID, AUDI G 052 533, VW G 052 533, VW G 052 025, VW G 052 162, VW TL 52 162, SEAT G 052 533, SEAT G 052 990, SKODA G 052 533, SKODA G 052 990, BMW ATF2, BMW 83 22 0 142 516, BMW 83 22 0 402 413, MINI 83 22 0 402 413, MINI LA2634, MINI ETL 7045E, TEXACO ETL 7045E, CHRYSLER ATF+2, CHRYSLER ATF+3, DAIMLER ATF+3, JATCO JF613E, CHRYSLER ATF+4, DAIMLER ATF+4, CITROËN 9735-EJ, MITSUBISHI SP II, GENERAL MOTORS 19256039, GENERAL MOTORS 1940771, GENERAL MOTORS 9985010, GENERAL MOTORS 1940773, KIA UM040 CH020, MOBIL ATF 3309, MOBIL ATF 3317, TEXACO ETL 8072B, JAGUAR M-1375.4, LAND ROVER M-1375.4, LAND ROVER N402, SHELL M-1375.4, ALLISON TRANSMISSION C-4, SHELL ATF 3353, HYUNDAI SP III, 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ATF-PA, SUBARU SKU: SOA868V9241, SATURN T-IV, SATURN 22686186, PSA GROUPE JWS 3309, AISIN JWS 3309, AISIN JWS 3314, AISIN JWS 3317, SAAB JWS 3309, APPOLLOIL ATF RED-1K, TOYOTA ATF TYPE T, TOYOTA JWS 3309, ESSO JWS 3314, SUZUKI JWS 3314, TOYOTA LF, TOYOTA 08886-81015, MAZDA JWS 3317, VOLVO 1161521, SUZUKI JWS 3317, AISIN CLIP, AISIN FF ATF, AISIN AW-F21, VOITH G607 (H55.6335XX), CASTROL TRANSMAX J, CASTROL TRANSYND, CASTROL TRANSMAX Z, TOYOTA ATF TYPE T-II, TOYOTA ATF TYPE T, LEXUS JWS 3324, FUCHS TITAN ATF 4400, IDEMITSU K17, TOYOTA ATF TYPE T-III, TOYOTA ATF TYPE T-IV, LEXUS ATF TYPE T-IV, PETRONAS LUBRICANTS TUTELA GI-V, PETRONAS LUBRICANTS TUTELA GI-VI, PETRONAS LUBRICANTS TUTELA TRANSMISSION FORCE4, SHELL LA2634, SHELL 3403(-M115), LEXUS ATF WS, TOTAL FLUIDE AT 42, ZF ZF ZF LIFEGUARD 5, ZF ZF ZF S671 090 255, ZF ZF ZF S671 090 170, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 03D, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 04D, TOYOTA ATF WS, AML 4G4319A509 / AA / S, ROVER ATF 206, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.3, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.1, MERCEDES-BENZ A 001 989 22 03, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.5, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.7, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.9, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.10, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.11, MERCEDES-BENZ MB 236.12, TOYOTA JWS 3324, KIA RED-1, VOLVO 97342, VOLVO 97340, HONDA ATF Z1 (EXCEPT CVTS), ISUZU ATF Z1 (EXCEPT CVTS), ISUZU BESCO ATF II, LEXUS NWS 9638, GENERAL MOTORS GM DEXRON II E, GENERAL MOTORS GM DEXRON II D, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 09, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 09A, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 09B, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 14A, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 14B, CHRYSLER MS 9602, CHRYSLER MS 7176E, CHRYSLER MS 7176D, CHRYSLER MS 7176, GENERAL MOTORS 88861950, GENERAL MOTORS 88861951, ISUZU H50235, ISUZU SCS, KIA ATF SP-3, DAIHATSU AMMIX ATF D-II, DAIHATSU AMMIX ATF D-III SP, PSA GROUPE Z 000169756, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 16L, ZF ZF ZF TE-ML 17C, ALLISON TRANSMISSION TES-295, VW G 052 990, VW G 055 005, VW G 055 025, VW G 052 533, BMW 83 22 0 026 922, BMW 83 22 9 407 765, GENERAL MOTORS 88900925, TOYOTA 08886-00405, CHRYSLER MS 5931, RENAULT ELFMATIC J6, ACURA ATF Z1 (EXCEPT 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I wouldn't normally trust on it, if it was any other less-known brands. But Motul well known.
Even though i have very limited information about oils, one thing i understand is that, one oil can not meet requirements of all transmissions.
it is like, if you mix BMW and Mercedes OEM tranny oils, it wont mean that final product will be compatible both Bmw and Mercedes.
So are those Multi ATF totally scam ?
Please explain this to me :)
Regards.
 
No one ATF works on everything. Not even one by Motul.

These "universal" ATFs are close enough in specs that they will work in some transmissions even when they don't meet all the specs. That doesn't mean you should trust them.

I don't like what I see in that list: for example, "MAZDA 6-SP AT". That's Mazda Skyactiv FZ spec, and it's unique. Mazda FZ ATF is blue, not red, and has different specs from everyone else's ATF. But Motul claims its universal ATF meets FZ. I doubt this. So be warned.

Continue to use the car manufacturer's ATF. You've got the right idea. Good luck!
 
 
I am always amazed thazt people will pay 30,40 or $50,000 or more for a car or truck and then hunt around to save a few bucks on fluids, extend fluid changes way out past where they should be done , etc. The old saying, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen " comes to mind. Use the right fluids, change them out in a timely matter and then enjoy the vehicle . BTW my favorite around here are all the new Mercedes I see putting in Sheetz regular gas.
 
No one ATF works on everything. Not even one by Motul.

These "universal" ATFs are close enough in specs that they will work in some transmissions even when they don't meet all the specs. That doesn't mean you should trust them.
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It kind of is but it's never guaranteed to work even if it says it's compatible. If you want zero issue the oem fluid or similar with only that spec and not a hundred would be preferable. If the trans you're putting it in has had others put the universal atf in theirs and they reported no issues then maybe. But if it were a new trans that no one has experimented with then I don't think I'd wanna be the be the one to find out first.
 
Valvoline has a Multivehicle ATF that supposedly replaces DexVI and Ford LV fluid. Are they the same ?
 
I am always amazed thazt people will pay 30,40 or $50,000 or more for a car or truck and then hunt around to save a few bucks on fluids, extend fluid changes way out past where they should be done , etc. The old saying, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen " comes to mind. Use the right fluids, change them out in a timely matter and then enjoy the vehicle . BTW my favorite around here are all the new Mercedes I see putting in Sheetz regular gas.

Like so many other vehicle-related fluids, a lot depends upon the application. My kid's 2012 RAV4 gets MAXLife Multi ATF and that is a "better" fluid than the original Toyota OEM fluid. Feel good there. I thought about the MaxLife in my 15 F150 but ultimately asked and researched and I'm sticking with Mercron LV as originally designed to use.

What's the application?
 
I don't like what I see in that list: for example, "MAZDA 6-SP AT". That's Mazda Skyactiv FZ spec, and it's unique. Mazda FZ ATF is blue, not red, and has different specs from everyone else's ATF. But Motul claims its universal ATF meets FZ. I doubt this. So be warned.
Other than an inert coloring dye, what are the Mu(v), antioxidant, anti-wear, and other chemistry that makes it unique?
 
Even Amsoil has two main types of automatic transmission fluids on the market (signature series) to cover the older specification (ATF) Dexron III and a newer (ATL) Dexron VI ULV. Its their business to produce the right fluids for the application and not just make 1 fluid to cover all specifications.

IMHO that's probably why customers keep coming back to Amsoil because of their reputation to supply excellent quality fluids to the market for the intended application.
 
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Even Amsoil has two main types of automatic transmission fluids on the market (signature series) to cover the older specification (ATF) Dexron III and a newer (ATL) Dexron VI ULV. Its their business to produce the right fluids for the application and not just make 1 fluid to cover all specifications.

IMHO that's probably why customers keep coming back to Amsoil because of their reputation to supply excellent quality fluids to the market for the intended application.
Dexron VI is not ULV. Dex VI is a 6+ Cst fluid, Dex ULV is a 4 Cst fluid.... that's a significant difference.

Amsoil is currently recommending a fluid for Dexron ULV applications that isn't even close to the correct viscosity. Yes, GM's Dexron and Dexos licensing scheme is a bit of a money making scam for GM, but it also ensures products actually meet GM spec and GM says so, not an oil blender saying "ya, this should work".

I'm ticked my preferred lube supplier doesn't have an approved ULV fluid for our new trucks, but as finicky as the new transmissions are, and the cost to replace or overhaul them, the potential savings of a "it'll work" fluid aren't worth it.
 
Dexron VI is not ULV. Dex VI is a 6+ Cst fluid, Dex ULV is a 4 Cst fluid.... that's a significant difference.

Amsoil is currently recommending a fluid for Dexron ULV applications that isn't even close to the correct viscosity. Yes, GM's Dexron and Dexos licensing scheme is a bit of a money making scam for GM, but it also ensures products actually meet GM spec and GM says so, not an oil blender saying "ya, this should work".

I'm ticked my preferred lube supplier doesn't have an approved ULV fluid for our new trucks, but as finicky as the new transmissions are, and the cost to replace or overhaul them, the potential savings of a "it'll work" fluid aren't worth it.
paid under $5 for approved Dex VI Valvoline synthetic and over $20 for ZF … ZF being far under the Mopar cost …
What a GM scam …
 
I am always amazed thazt people will pay 30,40 or $50,000 or more for a car or truck and then hunt around to save a few bucks on fluids, extend fluid changes way out past where they should be done , etc. The old saying, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen " comes to mind. Use the right fluids, change them out in a timely matter and then enjoy the vehicle . BTW my favorite around here are all the new Mercedes I see putting in Sheetz regular gas.
Like so many other vehicle-related fluids, a lot depends upon the application. My kid's 2012 RAV4 gets MAXLife Multi ATF and that is a "better" fluid than the original Toyota OEM fluid. Feel good there. I thought about the MaxLife in my 15 F150 but ultimately asked and researched and I'm sticking with Mercron LV as originally designed to use.

What's the application?

Like what Biscut says, it depends on the application.

I personally look for a trans fluid that will meet the OEM specifications and then exceeds them. Fluids that can handle much higher operating temperatures without the fluid breakdown and that does not oxidise quickly. My daily drive is to crawl in traffic for typically 3 hours or 4 hours a day with ambient outside temperatures sometime exceeding 43degC (110F) much higher temps from the radiant heat from the road surface. Transmission heats soaks very quickly in stop go traffic and I consider this severe driving condition. On a bad day it would take 2 hours to travel 20km, so yes its severe driving conditions.

Other owners might do much higher mileage but mainly on the freeways which is easy on fluids.

I don't do any towing, but drive my car very spiritedly with various elevation changes and high speed 2/3/4 in gear corners for 2-3 several hours at a time - near track conditions without the top speeds. I change my trans fluids between 30-50k km depending how I drive.

Therefore I would always look for better than OEM fluid for my application and I don't consider price as an issue.
 
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