I have 2 bottles of Auto-Rx left from a purchase I made in 2005. I recently purchased 5 more bottles and it seems much thinner. The older stuff feels like 100wt (like old STP) while the newer stuff feels like 5w30 motor oil. Frank says its because the new bottler has inside storage but my 2 old bottles have been stored indoors since 2005. Today I placed one in hot water to thin it before application and it didn't thin very much. Has anybody else noticed this? What do you think?
Is latest Auto-Rx thinner
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I have also observed this.
I had one bottle of 2-3 year old ARX alongside 3 recent bottles. All were stored on the same shelf in my basement for 4 weeks, plenty of time to reach equilibrium.
When shaken, the old stuff would barely move around. The new stuff moved very easily when shaken.
These observations are interesting to me but like you, I am not claiming that the product is substandard.
I had one bottle of 2-3 year old ARX alongside 3 recent bottles. All were stored on the same shelf in my basement for 4 weeks, plenty of time to reach equilibrium.
When shaken, the old stuff would barely move around. The new stuff moved very easily when shaken.
These observations are interesting to me but like you, I am not claiming that the product is substandard.
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Frank, chime in.
I have noticed the same thing. The first five bottles I bought in 07 had a very high viscosity. The next five bottles I bought in 08 have a much lower viscosity. The black plastic bottle is shiney now too, if that helps to identify batches.
The only thing that has changed in Auto-Rx is the bottle. It does have substantially lower thermal conductive properties than the last bottle. It also should have a child proof cap on it. The cap was upgraded due to a few shipments arriving with leaks. The formula is the same. No alteration whatsoever. Put both bottles in a controlled temp room long enough and they will have the same consistency.
What you have experienced in your observations is that the new bottle is superior for long term storage. The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall. You may have observed in a tightly sealed bottle that the container would panel. In other words product was escaping through the walls, but air was not able to fill the void. The end result was the bottle is somewhat sucked in in appearance. The new bottle does not allow for product migration through the walls. Far superior. The much slicker texture of the new PETE bottle also has less paracitic drag on the poured fluid so that ease of pouring is better as well.
Hope this helps you understand. Its a good thing.
I have retain samples from production batches stored in glass containers, from first middle and last out of each batch. They are all the same.
Hope this helps you understand. Its a good thing.
I have retain samples from production batches stored in glass containers, from first middle and last out of each batch. They are all the same.
Good to know.
Rick20, you said:
"You may have observed in a tightly sealed bottle that the container would panel. In other words product was escaping through the walls, but air was not able to fill the void. The end result was the bottle is somewhat sucked in in appearance."
not to hijack the thread, but is this what is happening with the new Fuel Power? That's exactly what happens to my product after a few days of it not being opened!
If so, maybe we should lobby LC for FP bottles that behave similar to the new AutoRX bottles!
"You may have observed in a tightly sealed bottle that the container would panel. In other words product was escaping through the walls, but air was not able to fill the void. The end result was the bottle is somewhat sucked in in appearance."
not to hijack the thread, but is this what is happening with the new Fuel Power? That's exactly what happens to my product after a few days of it not being opened!
If so, maybe we should lobby LC for FP bottles that behave similar to the new AutoRX bottles!
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What you have experienced in your observations is that the new bottle is superior for long term storage. The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall. You may have observed in a tightly sealed bottle that the container would panel. In other words product was escaping through the walls, but air was not able to fill the void. The end result was the bottle is somewhat sucked in in appearance. The new bottle does not allow for product migration through the walls. Far superior. The much slicker texture of the new PETE bottle also has less paracitic drag on the poured fluid so that ease of pouring is better as well.
Hope this helps you understand. Its a good thing.
I have retain samples from production batches stored in glass containers, from first middle and last out of each batch. They are all the same.
Does that mean that those of us who bought several bottles (old style), are going to have problems with the product down the road because of the old style bottles? Will those bottles shorten shelf life?
Frank D
What you have experienced in your observations is that the new bottle is superior for long term storage. The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall. You may have observed in a tightly sealed bottle that the container would panel. In other words product was escaping through the walls, but air was not able to fill the void. The end result was the bottle is somewhat sucked in in appearance. The new bottle does not allow for product migration through the walls. Far superior. The much slicker texture of the new PETE bottle also has less paracitic drag on the poured fluid so that ease of pouring is better as well.
Hope this helps you understand. Its a good thing.
I have retain samples from production batches stored in glass containers, from first middle and last out of each batch. They are all the same.
Does that mean that those of us who bought several bottles (old style), are going to have problems with the product down the road because of the old style bottles? Will those bottles shorten shelf life?
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If I read it correctly, it just means that the pouring experience will be a little different with the different bottles. The new bottle resists the leaching of one of the cutting agents into it.
"The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall."
"In other words product was escaping through the walls..."
It would seem that the shelf life of the product would be shortened if stored in the old style bottle. I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
"In other words product was escaping through the walls..."
It would seem that the shelf life of the product would be shortened if stored in the old style bottle. I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
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The shelf life of Auto-Rx is the same no matter what bottle it came in. New bottle improves pourability no matter what temperature range you live in.
We have in use 5 year old Auto-Rx and it works as fine as the latest blend.
We have in use 5 year old Auto-Rx and it works as fine as the latest blend.
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"The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall."
I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
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The other ester group is a polyol ester. Although is primarily used as a thinning agent of the ARX blend, improving pour point,
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"The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall."
I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
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The other ester group is a polyol ester. Although is primarily used as a thinning agent of the ARX blend, improving pour point,
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"The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall."
"In other words product was escaping through the walls..."
It would seem that the shelf life of the product would be shortened if stored in the old style bottle. I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
That's how I interpreted it to be. Thanks for clearing it up guys.
Frank D
"The old HDPE bottle would allow for the migration of the aliphatic and polyol esters to migrate through the bottle wall."
"In other words product was escaping through the walls..."
It would seem that the shelf life of the product would be shortened if stored in the old style bottle. I can't imagine these ingredients being inert.
That's how I interpreted it to be. Thanks for clearing it up guys.
Frank D
Good to know. I have 11 bottles on the shelf in the garage about 10 years worth.
Ahh, now I get it. Thanks, Gary.
Notice that I did not mention the lanolin based esters in ARX contributing to the bottle paneling. These esters being the heart and sole behind ARX's cleaning ability. For those still using HDPE bottles, I would suggest a level 5 flourination on your containers to avoid product migration and consequent paneling. Otherwise, you may be thought of as a pin head.
Or you could just pour them in a glass jar, right? I have no clue what "level 5 flourination" is and I'm sure I'm not alone here.
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Or you could just pour them in a glass jar, right?
I imagine so
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I have no clue what "level 5 flourination" is and I'm sure I'm not alone here.
Me neither
Here's something on it....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/518747/High-Ba...ination-Process
Or you could just pour them in a glass jar, right?
I imagine so
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I have no clue what "level 5 flourination" is and I'm sure I'm not alone here.
Me neither
Here's something on it....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/518747/High-Ba...ination-Process
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