is HP/L a good way to determine what oil??

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I was thinking if Horsepower per liter is a good way to determine what oil your car needs..

Like a car that makes 50hp/l wouldnt need as thick oil as a car producing 100hp/l??


My SpecV produced 80hp/l, and my STI produces 125hp/l ...I try to run them both on a GroupIV Xw40 oil
 
I think it is something manufacturers use to specify oil weight for an engine. I know when Ford gets above 70HP/L, all of a sudden you are into 50 weight territory!
 
Originally Posted By: MrWideTires
I was thinking if Horsepower per liter is a good way to determine what oil your car needs..

HP/L may have something to do with OCI determination (I think Pablo came up with a formula once that took this into account), but I wouldn't think it necessarily determines oil type/grade.
 
Thank St. Nick that noone mentioned Dr. Haas running 20w in his ferrari or maserati or whatever it is (was)-
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HP/L won't work for small engines [non automotive]. They usually need the thicker oil, and make less HP/L.

But I see what you are saying. There is something there.
A high HP engine that is thrashed will be hotter, and could go up a grade in viscosity for better protection.
 
It definitely plays in. Higher gravimetric or volumetric power density equates to higher stresses on various components.

Of course, just because your car offers xyz hp SAE Net, doesn't mean that it has ever actually put that out - so there are other aspects:

-engineering out stresses which can be done, but generally yields more expensive or larger components.
-actual power use, which trades lubricant, design, and actual use for lifetime. Some increased degradation may be acceptable in the name of other variables.

The other question becomes whether the increased power density is due to more fuel or better utilization of the fuel already being burned... that is, say you make 100HP in your engine. You are also making 200HP of waste heat, some of which gets loaded to the oil, driving viscosity down, then reducing the protection at the bearings that are taking the load from the power. Now, say instead, youre more EFFICIENT, so youre making 125hp, and only 175 hp worth of waste heat. Youre making more power, but the heat load on the oil is lower.

To the contrary, say your engine is efficient to the point where you are making 100hp and 200hp of waste heat. Say you change your fuel map, add a turbo, etc., and are now making 125 hp, but also 250 hp of waste heat. It then comes down to balancing longevity, parts sizes, etc. As specific power goes up, so parts and surfaces go down, you start to balance higher loads on the parts with lower viscosity in the lube oil (due to higher heat loads), and when it all comes together, you really need a heavier lubricant to offer the same protection.

A good example is the N54 3.0L twin turbo BMW engine. As an NA 230hp mill, it runs great and for a LONG time without issue. In the high-power version, youre seeing oil temperatures that take the engine into a limp-home mode.

So there are lots of variables, and my hokey examples only are a very small part of the story - there is lots left out here... but as a whole, Id say yes, higher the hp/l, particularly if YOU induced it, and not the manufacturer, the more the need for a viscous, robust oil.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
HP/L won't work for small engines [non automotive]. They usually need the thicker oil, and make less HP/L.

But I see what you are saying. There is something there.
A high HP engine that is thrashed will be hotter, and could go up a grade in viscosity for better protection.


that is also because they are air cooled and will see higher average oil temperatures regardless...
 
As JHZR2 pointed out power density plays into it. I can't remember if it was TooSlick or TeeDub who had created a forumula in calculating the correct OCI for a specific vehicle. Power density factored into it and there were a bunch of other variables.

Hopefully someone can post it if they know what I'm referring to. I found it interesting/educational.
 
Makes sense.

FAQ from Hendrick engine shop site says their restrictor plate engines run 0w-30, and their open(short track) engines run 20w-50.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: MrWideTires
I was thinking if Horsepower per liter is a good way to determine what oil your car needs..

HP/L may have something to do with OCI determination (I think Pablo came up with a formula once that took this into account), but I wouldn't think it necessarily determines oil type/grade.


Here was TooSlick's calculation. It breaks down to fuel consumed with a power density factor and the sump size. He assigned values for conventional, Group III, and PAO's.

(120)(sump-qts)(mpg)(cubic inches/Hp)

The "120" was for a specified extended drain oil. 80 and 100 were assigned to conventional and Group III oils.

It works out about right for my 4.0 @ 195hp/6 quart sump/18 ..or about 15k.

Essentially it comes down to fuel consumed.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
Makes sense.

FAQ from Hendrick engine shop site says their restrictor plate engines run 0w-30, and their open(short track) engines run 20w-50.
Those only have to last a few hundred miles and make the most HP. Prob not the best formula for a keeper street car.
 
Originally Posted By: MrWideTires
I was thinking if Horsepower per liter is a good way to determine what oil your car needs..

Like a car that makes 50hp/l wouldnt need as thick oil as a car producing 100hp/l??


My SpecV produced 80hp/l, and my STI produces 125hp/l ...I try to run them both on a GroupIV Xw40 oil


My old car produced 55.5 HP per liter and required 20w50 or SAE 40 at any temp above 50*F.

My new car produces 66 HP per liter and requires either 5w30 or 10w30 at all temps.

I think it has a lot more to do with engine design (OHV/DOHC), oil pump/flow design, and engine mgmt systems in place.
 
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