Is Fram endurance still one of the best buy's for cartridge filter?

[apollo18]

hey all i know there is tons of talk about the fram metal canned filters due to the leaf spring issue

however on one of my vehicles i have a cartridge filter and have usually used fram endurance as it seems to look great on paper and its easy to find for a good price

is this still one of the best filters for cartridge? since cartridge won't have leaf spring issues etc or is there some better competitors?

i know this may have been soke about but its difficult to find new threads that arent talking about the leaf spring issue

thanks

 

[TomYoung]

hey all i know there is tons of talk about the fram metal canned filters due to the leaf spring issue

however on one of my vehicles i have a cartridge filter and have usually used fram endurance as it seems to look great on paper and its easy to find for a good price

is this still one of the best filters for cartridge? since cartridge won't have leaf spring issues etc or is there some better competitors?

i know this may have been soke about but its difficult to find new threads that arent talking about the leaf spring issue

thanks

Not sure that the world is focused on this leaf spring issue. I consider Fram Endurance filters to be quite excellent, but for certain applications might choose another brand… Fram usually has decent prices.

 

[FlyingVan]

hey all i know there is tons of talk about the fram metal canned filters due to the leaf spring issue

however on one of my vehicles i have a cartridge filter and have usually used fram endurance as it seems to look great on paper and its easy to find for a good price

is this still one of the best filters for cartridge? since cartridge won't have leaf spring issues etc or is there some better competitors?

i know this may have been soke about but its difficult to find new threads that arent talking about the leaf spring issue

thanks

What vehicle do you have?

 

[cptbarkey]

You didnt state your OCI goals. Without that the discussion is kind of moot. There are a zillion Fram cut opens and each level has respective materials.

If you cost compare with Autozone, AAP and Oreilly prices I would say yes, for $13 Walmart / Fram FEs are a "value" price for what you get, but only if you intend to do extended OCIs. This is what a cartridge FE looks like after 5k. Walmart claims this is a 25k filter. Maybe it is, but my patience or risk tolerance isnt that long.

 

[Glenda W.]

I see no reason not to use an Endurance cartridge filter. Great high efficiency wire backed media and no leaf spring to worry about!

 

[Sayjac]

If similar to the OG XG cartridge filters, it could be application specific. The XG seemed to work well in some/many applications, poorly in others like BMW. Fit in housing is an important factor in cartridge use. As long as FE cartridge fits well in the housing, it should work well. Interesting relatively recent finding is the XG cartridge for Pentastar application, same as the FE and Royal Purple. And the former costs less than both. Not sure how long FB will continue the practice, but worth checking out.

 

[Kira]

FB?

Also, the offerings from Advance Auto (Car Quest) and O'Reilly's premium line are known good filters too.

 

[Brian123]

FB?

Also, the offerings from Advance Auto (Car Quest) and O'Reilly's premium line are known good filters too.

I think FB means First Brands!

 

[Mainia]

I use the Endurance on my Hyundai and the Ultra on my family's other cars. I saw the posts on the on the accordion back flow spring and while not liking it was auh thats not good and kept on using it. Then for some weird reason it popped in my head one night and I started to think about it. That "NEW" crap design would let in any of the dirt that might be on the top floor of the filter can on startup. Kind of like shaking up a snow/water scenic toy.

I called Champion Filter Tech Line to question why the stupid design change. Why intentionally take out a gasket for sealing and put in and accordion stamped spring that seems to totally unseal the filter from allowing trapped dirt from the dirty side of the filter into the clean side 100% of the time, not just in a few moments of a -20 degree start up here and there in the filters lifetime for that oil change? Why is your $14 Endurance top of the line filter not filtering like a top of the line filter should do and all the lower tier too? I said you took my $$$ and you failed to provide me with quality. I told him I can no longer use any filter brand they make because you no longer care about my car having filtered oil running to it. I also said I work at a large printer and I am the maintenance guy there, with hundreds of people who some I told them to run high end Fram's . I will be telling all of them to stop as they a leakers and just run MicroGaurd Selects. Not as good but for most people I suggested it to, these Selects would still be top tier to them. So you guys at Champion lost a lot of sales because of your crap filter design.

I told him to flag this call and send this to engineering and your higherups, I told him a good chunk of people on Bob's are dumping your CRAP designed filters. He knew exactly why I was complaining and you could tell he knew the filters were bad designs and should be fixed, he just had to follow the company line. He did say he does have the power to flag a call and send up to engineering and higher ups, and he will do that for me. Hopefully he does it, but high chance nothing was done. People should call Champaion's Tech Line and complain on their crap filter designs and to change them back to actually filtering like a "well designed filter should filter".

 

[apollo18]

What vehicle do you have?

For my 2015 Toyota Rav 4!

 

[Sayjac]

For my 2015 Toyota Rav 4!

In that case, check out the Super Tech cartridge. It has quickly become a fave among bitog Toyota cartridge users. It's a unicorn, wire backed media cartridge for a low price.

 

[FlyingVan]

What Sayjac said. You will like it. Stock up before they change the design.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I saw the posts on the on the accordion back flow spring ...

"Back flow spring"? ... you mean the leaf spring that holds the guts tight? No real "back flow" going on anywhere.

Hopefully, you phone call will open some eyes at Champ Labs that can do something about it.

 

[johnmyster]

In that case, check out the Super Tech cartridge. It has quickly become a fave among bitog Toyota cartridge users. It's a unicorn, wire backed media cartridge for a low price.

Wow, $2.97.

My current strategy is to run one year intervals on FE9972 (two OCIs) mostly because I hate the mess made by pulling the filter on the 2GR-FE. 6 month intervals on Mobil FS 0w-40. Maybe I get risky and go triple. Mileage is low but abusively short tripped. Flashlight test doesn't reveal any deficiencies in the FE9972 if you can find one that doesn't have glue boogers all smooged out from the media.

I've switched from the same double interval strategy on XG7317 to carquest premium filters (picked up at ~$5 each) on the other commuter in response to fram-spring-gate.

 

[TiGeo]

Hope so. That's what's in the track wagon currently.

 

[KevinDM]

I received this FE9972 yesterday from a Walmart order that was delivered. It definitely slipped through QC coming down the line. At first I thought the end caps were glued on at an angle above the filter material but it looks more like the material wasn’t cut straight.
Anyways, I chatted with a gentleman at Fram and he said not use it and to request a replacement from the seller. I think I’ll just toss it instead because there’s a fair chance it will end up being placed back on the shelf at WM. I sure expected more from a $13 filter. Back to using a $3 ST9972 in the wife’s Rav4.

 

[Glenda W.]

I received this FE9972 yesterday from a Walmart order that was delivered. It definitely slipped through QC coming down the line. At first I thought the end caps were glued on at an angle above the filter material but it looks more like the material wasn’t cut straight.
Anyways, I chatted with a gentleman at Fram and he said not use it and to request a replacement from the seller. I think I’ll just toss it instead because there’s a fair chance it will end up being placed back on the shelf at WM. I sure expected more from a $13 filter. Back to using a $3 ST9972 in the wife’s Rav4. View attachment 266565
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Not very confidence inspiring.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Anyways, I chatted with a gentleman at Fram and he said not use it and to request a replacement from the seller.

Fram should have sent you a new filter or two directly. They use to do that, but guess that kind of service is going down the tubes too.

 

[thescreensavers]

Glue running down is nothing new, gotta pick the filter you self in person. But man that crooked cap is new lol

 

[slacktide_bitog]

I received this FE9972 yesterday from a Walmart order that was delivered. It definitely slipped through QC coming down the line. At first I thought the end caps were glued on at an angle above the filter material but it looks more like the material wasn’t cut straight.
Anyways, I chatted with a gentleman at Fram and he said not use it and to request a replacement from the seller. I think I’ll just toss it instead because there’s a fair chance it will end up being placed back on the shelf at WM. I sure expected more from a $13 filter. Back to using a $3 ST9972 in the wife’s Rav4. View attachment 266565
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the best cartridge filter for that Toyota application is the Mahle OX414D1, or the Full 2-OTT07. Walmart might have the OEM Toyota filter, the same one you'd get from the dealer.