Is Fiat good for Chrysler?

[SteveSRT8]

doesn't quite match them but is till many hp over an older gen 5.7, and with a table flat torque curve.

The news is that the 6.1 will become a 6.4, and with the vvt setup it could be a monster. The 6.1 lacks low end torque until it winds past 3500-4000 and vvt would be a fantastic addition!

In 3 separate match races with a new Challenger R/T auto my car was consistently about a half a car behind out of the hole but walked on him steadily all the way down the strip. Both cars Diablo canned tune and he did have a Corsa exhaust.

BTW, his car weighed in almost 100 pounds HEAVIER than mine!

 

[Tornado Red]

Originally Posted By: wapacz
Yep thats why Bush gave them money. Since you know the UAW always votes for his party.


I don't think there were any handouts until 2009, after GWB was out of office.

 

[Panzerman]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Like fiats, dont know about fiat or if they understand the american market or the truck market. All pivots on if they hire a legendary CEO to run the US domestic (like Lee I.) I wonder what platforms theyll keep. Surely the fat RWD v8s will be banished. Thats oK, they werent very good ( refined) cars anyhow. Not in any way comaparable to the refined Grand Marquis or Buick LeSabre.
Are you serious, the Buick and Grand Marquis make me older just seeing them go down the road. They both would sell better if they threw a free burial plot in with every purchase.

 

[ET16]

Fiat has long been one of the most unreliable European brands, so I don't see how they will help Chrysler mechanically. Maybe with styling.

 

[Panzerman]

Fiat must have been really big at one time in the U.S. I remmembeer seeing Fiat front end loaders at coal yards and alot of off road equipment. Arent they assoiated with Ferrari too. I thought They are just like Opel, old European money.

 

[Tornado Red]

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Fiat must have been really big at one time in the U.S. I remmembeer seeing Fiat front end loaders at coal yards and alot of off road equipment. Arent they assoiated with Ferrari too.

The Fiat Group includes:

Fiat Automobiles, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Abarth, Maserati, and Ferrari.

CNH Global, which includes Case Construction, Case IH, Kobelco, New Holland, Steyr, and Fiat-Hitachi Construction (Case-New Holland is the #2 agricultural equipment manufacturer in the world after Deere, and the #3 construction equipment maker after Caterpillar and Komatsu.

Iveco, Irisbus, Magirus. Also military vehicles

Fiat Group owns many parts companies, iron foundries and engine casting plants around the world, and also manufactures its own industrial robots.

There is really no limit to what Fiat could do; it has the engineering expertise to produce great cars and to produce inexpensive cars. One huge benefit it can bring to Chrysler is its diesel engine technology. I don't expect the Dodge Ram pickup division to drop its partnership with Cummins; but I do expect other Fiat diesels to find their way into Dodge, Chrysler, and Jeep vehicles.

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: wapacz
Yep thats why Bush gave them money. Since you know the UAW always votes for his party.


I don't think there were any handouts until 2009, after GWB was out of office.

There was. Before he left office, GWB said "The Americans want their car makers to succeed" and signed something that gave taxpayer money to Chrysler and GM.

What he forgot was that the Americans only want their nations businesses to by their own merit.

And many wanted GM and Chrysler to fail because their cars were built wrong, and therefore the manufacturer deserved it.

 

[Samilcar]

Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: wapacz
Yep thats why Bush gave them money. Since you know the UAW always votes for his party.


I don't think there were any handouts until 2009, after GWB was out of office.


Nope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/business/worldbusiness/19iht-20autoA.18825039.html


The GM/Chrysler bailout was a bipartisan hosing of the American taxpayer, started by one administration and finished up by the other.

 

[Tornado Red]

Originally Posted By: Samilcar
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
Originally Posted By: wapacz
Yep thats why Bush gave them money. Since you know the UAW always votes for his party.

I don't think there were any handouts until 2009, after GWB was out of office

Nope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/business/worldbusiness/19iht-20autoA.18825039.html

The GM/Chrysler bailout was a bipartisan hosing of the American taxpayer, started by one administration and finished up by the other.


That NY Times article from December 2008 describes an emergency bridge loan of $13.4 billion -- which had to be repaid in full in March 2009 unless both the auto companies and the unions met certain benchmarks.

So, George W Bush did not bail out the auto industry; he did keep GM and Chrysler alive with a 90-day loan until his successor took office.

Perhaps there is a man out there who, as he leaves office after two terms in the White House, can reject the appeals of his successor to do one thing or another, and instead describes the incoming president's agenda as a total disaster. Furthermore, he sticks to his own principles right up until the January 20th transfer of power.

But in 2008, the transition to Obamanomics really started in October or maybe even September -- at any rate the markets started to really react in a negative way to the events in Washington and the rising fortunes of Barack Obama in the pre-election polls.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Yeah, thats not too political.....lol

 

[Tornado Red]

The auto industry bailout was a totally political exercise. How could it be otherwise, with billions of taxpayer dollars at risk?

 

[Duffman77]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I wonder what platforms theyll keep. Surely the fat RWD v8s will be banished. Thats oK, they werent very good ( refined) cars anyhow. Not in any way comaparable to the refined Grand Marquis or Buick LeSabre.


Thats exactly what they should not do. Outside of trucks & minivans Chrysler has shown they cant go head to head with GM or Ford. The Intrepid line was a very well engineered car, but gets clobered by GMs Impala line in sales. Sebring is a beautiful car but sales are junk. Neon sales were pathetic compared to Escort/focus or GM offerings. Chyrslers wins are where they are alone in the market like the PT cruiser, Jeep and their RWD platforms.

Chyrsler needs to leverage their competitions unwillingness to bring diesel to the market and forge new product ideas.

 

[USA1]

I've lived in Europe up to 2001. FIAT is a very reliable automobile there. I've seen a Panda 750 run without oil for weeks and still keep going. Very fuel efficient engineered vehicles and very nice looking too which should compete against the Japanese blobs we're seeing today. I believe FIAT will give Chrysler a good lift and some of the newer fuel efficient vehicles will help with sales. Would love to see Alfa Romeo return with fresh styling too, and the new FIAT 500 remake should be popular.

 

[cjcride]

If it will also run without fuel for weeks, I want one!

 

[L_Sludger]

A marriage between "Fix It Again Tony" and Dodge is a natural fit. Global mediocrity.

 

[saaber1]

I think the question is, "do you want a fiat-owned chrysler or no chrysler at all?" I think the fiat 500 abarth is great.

 

[saaber1]

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Are you serious, the Buick and Grand Marquis make me older just seeing them go down the road. They both would sell better if they threw a free burial plot in with every purchase.


Ouch!