Irving advant 5w-40 synthetic?

[sunbeam]

Hello all,

I saw the oil "Irving advant 5w-40" below in the gas station at a decent price.
Irving's products tend to always be top of the line (premium gasoline, food etc), so I am wondering if these oils would be of similar quality?

Has anyone used this oil in the past?

Currently running redline 0w40 and wix xp spin on filter.

https://www.irvingblend.com/uploads/file/pdfs/Irving/Advant Euro ENG 11 17 17.pdf
https://www.irvingoil.com/sites/default/files/2019-05/Irving Advant Euro PCMO_0.pdf

 

[kschachn]

Another one of the faceless oils that claim things which aren’t verified by actually having the approvals listed.

Also another of the ones that claim some “Features and Benefits” which are mutually incompatible. Perhaps that’s why it’s “no ordinary motor oil”.

 

[wpod]

Marketing works well. What does that oil actually have to offer? Base oils are from the major oil companies and additive packages are made by only a few companies on the planet .The difference would be in the quality of the blenders and most oils are in their tiers are similar . I could run Mobil 1 oil or Redline oil and have my engine outlast my ownership of the vehicle. I ran Steen C chemical lubricant in my first motorcycle a Yamaha 125 in 1969 /70 and used Amsoil , Allproof ,Eon and Mobil 1 starting in my 1974 Chevy pickup. After years at work seeing how good the GP II and up off the shelf oils worked I find the off the shelf syn types that Walmart sell more that adequate for 99% of operation. Some of the specialized brands do offer benefits if the benefits are needed and or taken advantage of.

 

[sunbeam]

I know it is not backed up but the quality of the "supreme" and diesel fuels is really good. It would not surprise me if the oil were decent, just looking for anyone who has tried it before? Read maybe 1 or 2 users in past posts.

 

[fantastic]

Looks like legit oil to me & sounds like the price is right.

 

[kschachn]

Looks like legit oil to me & sounds like the price is right.

The thing that sparks illegitimacy to me is the "Features and Benefits" where it lists both BMW Longlife-04 and Porsche A40. That signals a company that is either incompetent or lazy, not "legit".

When you don't have actual approvals these supplemental cues are what you're left to decipher.

 

[OVERKILL]

Another one of the faceless oils that claim things which aren’t verified by actually having the approvals listed.

Also another of the ones that claim some “Features and Benefits” which are mutually incompatible. Perhaps that’s why it’s “no ordinary motor oil”.

Yeah, unfortunate to see this with a brand that's as large as Irving. They have major operations on the east coast of Canada, including some large refining facilities. They can afford to use an approved additive package.

 

[svenson]

BMW Longlife-04 and Porsche A40

 

[kschachn]

And?

 

[svenson]

where it lists both BMW Longlife-04 and Porsche A40. That signals a company that is either incompetent or lazy, not "legit".

''As a specialist in synthetic oils, Motul has become the partner of many manufacturers and sports teams for its technological developments in mechanical sports, car and motorcycle racing.
Renowned for its capacity to innovate and to provide state-of-the-art synthetic lubricants''

https://new.motul.com/en-FR/information/corporate_culture

 

[kschachn]

''As a specialist in synthetic oils, Motul has become the partner of many manufacturers and sports teams for its technological developments in mechanical sports, car and motorcycle racing.
Renowned for its capacity to innovate and to provide state-of-the-art synthetic lubricants''

https://new.motul.com/en-FR/information/corporate_culture

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What’s your explanation?

I’m not brand loyal.

 

[k1xv]

Irving is better known for fuels than lubricants. Nonetheless, I suspect this motor oil is the formulation of another company, marketed by Irving with its own label and packaging, and a quality product.

Their gasoline was temporarily "Top Tier" until they stopped paying the licensing fees. Irving is a privately owned operation. As such, its leadership has the chutzpah to defy convention.

 

[svenson]

where it lists both BMW Longlife-04 and Porsche A40. That signals a company that is either incompetent or lazy, not "legit".

it wasnt hard to understand..as i showed to you this argument is wrong.

I’m not brand loyal.

me neither

 

[kschachn]

it wasnt hard to understand..as i showed to you this argument is wrong.

Because one other blender gets it incorrectly it makes the argument wrong?

Silliness abounds, that doesn't make it right.

 

[pbm]

Questions for the OP:
What vehicle are you considering using this oil in?
What is the 'decent price' this oil is selling for?

My guess is that k1xv is right (this is a good oil that Irving sells reasonably by 'defying convention' (not paying licensing fees). Would I use it in my car? That depends on age, mileage (warranty) etc...On an out of warranty, higher mileage Beemer, Benz etc,,,,probably....depending on price compared to Mobil 1, Castrol etc...

 

[svenson]

Because one other blender gets it incorrectly it makes the argument wrong?

Silliness abounds, that doesn't make it right.

so many quotes to finally give a silly answer.knowing that you were wrong ,but never admit it ,always typical of you,i am not surprised.
and it is not one blender, there were 2 more. there was a case that these 3 of them were mention again in a similar topic ,mid summer i recall. and you posted the same wrong argument ,actually you doubted motul saying that it was a print mistake and so on, when a member posted the same quote as me .

but even if it was one,its not just any blender. but of course you now better than MOTUL !

 

[kschachn]

so many quotes to finally give a silly answer.knowing that you were wrong ,but never admit it ,always typical of you,i am not surprised.
and it is not one blender, there were 2 more. there was a case that these 3 of them were mention again in a similar topic ,mid summer i recall. and you posted the same wrong argument ,actually you doubted motul saying that it was a print mistake and so on, when a member posted the same quote as me .

but even if it was one,its not just any blender. but of course you now better than MOTUL !

Apparently I know approvals better then they do, yes.

And so much anger. Try dialing it back a bit. Or is this just typical of certain “newbies”?

 

[OVERKILL]

it wasnt hard to understand..as i showed to you this argument is wrong.

How?

Most Euro OE approvals have foundational ACEA approvals and it's a red flag when the product has a specific ACEA approval, but OEM approvals that contradict that, depending on a different ACEA approval.

For example:
- RN0710 and RN0700 are both based on ACEA A3/B4 (A5/B5 is also allowed for RN0700)

Porsche A40 is typically seen on a full-SAPS (ACEA A3/B4) lubricant, along with 229.5 and LL-01.

Not surprisingly, I don't see Motul X-clean 5W-40 on the Porsche A40 approval list:
Group 1, #36/22, 1701 Porsche Technical Service Bulletin (tsbsearch.com)


Examples of compliant and formally approved products:
C3:
Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40
dexos2
229.31/229.51/229.52
511 0
C40

A3/B4:
Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 0w40
229.3/229.5
LL-01
502 00/505 00
A40

 

[svenson]

Apparently I know approvals better then they do, yes.

And so much anger. Try dialing it back a bit. Or is this just typical of certain “newbies”?

rest my case ,i am convinced by your scientific argument. mirror -mirror on the wall....

How?

Most Euro OE approvals have foundational ACEA approvals and it's a red flag when the product has a specific ACEA approval, but OEM approvals that contradict that, depending on a different ACEA approval.

For example:
- RN0710 and RN0700 are both based on ACEA A3/B4 (A5/B5 is also allowed for RN0700)

Porsche A40 is typically seen on a full-SAPS (ACEA A3/B4) lubricant, along with 229.5 and LL-01.

Not surprisingly, I don't see Motul X-clean 5W-40 on the Porsche A40 approval list:
Group 1, #36/22, 1701 Porsche Technical Service Bulletin (tsbsearch.com)


Examples of compliant and formally approved products:
C3:
Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40
dexos2
229.31/229.51/229.52
511 0
C40

A3/B4:
Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 0w40
229.3/229.5
LL-01
502 00/505 00
A40

thank you for explaining but i know all this overkill. i maybe be a newbie but thats basic knowledge for someone to be here.

to tell you the truth i was a bit surprised too ,seeing these 2 contradicted approvals . and we talked about it back then at summer.
but it was there for years.did anybody asked motul why did this happen?

if nobody had an answered, then i think motul had these 2 approvals for a reason.i have to trust them. isnt it what we do here? trust the approvals as someone always says when a guy shows up on the forum to ask which oil to choose?

 

[kschachn]

if nobody had an answered, then i think motul had these 2 approvals for a reason.i have to trust them. isnt it what we do here? trust the approvals as someone always says when a guy shows up on the forum to ask which oil to choose?

You realize that makes no technical sense whatsoever. Perhaps you should be the one to ask Motul? Either that or just buy from a blender or manufacturer that doesn't do things like this. Lots of other fish in the sea of approvals.

You do try, I'll say that. But try again.