Interpreting an MSDS: is this mostly a group 4?

[dparm]

MSDS reads:

"Distillate, Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic

And from the PDS:

Viscosity = 0w30
KV @ 40 = 55
KV @ 100 = 10.5
VI = 186
Flash = 445 F
HTHS = >3.5


I'm thinking this is a group 4-heavy oil based on the fact that they claim the group 3 content is
I was also under the impression that 0w30 with just group 3 was very difficult, exception possibly being EM's Visom.

Curiously the 0w40 variety says it is <40% of the group 3 basestock.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: dparm
Curiously the 0w40 variety says it is div>

That's not too outlandish an idea. AFAIK, some group III+ base stocks have higher VIs than some group IV base stocks...

 

[dparm]

Forgot to mention they also claim it exceeds:

API SM
API CF
ACEA A3/B3/B4
VW 502/505
MB 229.1
BMW LL

 

[dparm]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dparm
Curiously the 0w40 variety says it is div>

That's not too outlandish an idea. AFAIK, some group III+ base stocks have higher VIs than some group IV base stocks...


Visom might be the only one, from what I read. Not sure what Castrol is using in their Edge Sport 0w40 though.

 

[Torrid]

What oil is this? HTHS looks strong.

 

[dparm]

I'm actually not revealing that yet as I feel people will lose all objectivity once they know.

 

[Torrid]

My observations at this point are that the HTHS looks good. Not typically a fan of thinner 30w, but then again I run 5w30 blended with 15w50 or GC. I take it the company doesn't publish TBN?

 

[HTSS_TR]

MB 229.1 is very old specs, more than 10 years old.

 

[dparm]

Yeah the literature kinda sucks, I'll admit. No date on the PDS.

 

[sunfire]

What are the Noack, CCV, MRV, Pour Point, density values?

 

[dparm]

Don't know. Poor literature.

Density is quoted at 0.8621.

 

[sunfire]

Originally Posted By: dparm
Visom might be the only one, from what I read. Not sure what Castrol is using in their Edge Sport 0w40 though.


Petro Canada Synthetic and Rotella SB have 0w30 oils, I doubt most of it is group4.

 

[sunfire]

The Noack value is an indicator of the quality of the base oil. But there are other things to look for too. Since the information in the PDS/MSDS is poor its hard to tell.

A 0w30 that meets ACEA A3/B3/B4 should be a decent oil.

 

[engineerscott]

Originally Posted By: sunfire
What are the Noack, CCV, MRV, Pour Point, density values?


That info is typically not in a MSDS. Remember that MSDS = Material Safety Data Sheet and the info included is all oriented around giving the user basic information on the contents of the product and warning of any special safety or handling requirements. A MSDS cares nothing about the quality of the product. You might get that info off of a manufacturer's product datasheet if one is available, or barring that do a VOA.

 

[sunfire]

Originally Posted By: engineerscott
Originally Posted By: sunfire
What are the Noack, CCV, MRV, Pour Point, density values?


That info is typically not in a MSDS. Remember that MSDS = Material Safety Data Sheet and the info included is all oriented around giving the user basic information on the contents of the product and warning of any special safety or handling requirements. A MSDS cares nothing about the quality of the product. You might get that info off of a manufacturer's product datasheet if one is available, or barring that do a VOA.


Some of that information is often given in "SECTION 9 PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES".

 

[engineerscott]

Originally Posted By: sunfire
Originally Posted By: engineerscott
Originally Posted By: sunfire
What are the Noack, CCV, MRV, Pour Point, density values?


That info is typically not in a MSDS. Remember that MSDS = Material Safety Data Sheet and the info included is all oriented around giving the user basic information on the contents of the product and warning of any special safety or handling requirements. A MSDS cares nothing about the quality of the product. You might get that info off of a manufacturer's product datasheet if one is available, or barring that do a VOA.


Some of that information is often sometimes given in "SECTION 9 PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES".


Corrected it for you.

 

[dparm]

SECTION 9 PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES


GENERAL INFORMATION
Physical State: Liquid
Color: Light Brown
Odor: Characteristic petroleum
Density: 7.171 pounds/gallon
Flash Point: 460F
Autoignition Temperature: N/D
Boiling Point: >500F
pH: N/D
Solubility in Water: Negligible @ 25C
Viscosity cSt at 100C: Greater than or equal to: 10.5

 

[dparm]

Also, I was under the impression that NOACK isn't really that important anymore because of the group 3+ stuff we have.