interesting info about carbon capture tech

UC Berkeley scientists have developed a compound that readily absorbs CO2. Heating the compound to 140*F releases the CO2. They gave reused the compound 100+ times with no degradation.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/10/23/capturing-carbon-from-the-air-just-got-easier/
I think very few EV owners care.

We buy them because:

-They are very cheap to operate.

-The level of performance is insane, and it's even more sedate than the most chill ICE vehicle when you want it to be.

-Traction in bad weather is next level.

-Daily operating (fuel) is very cheap.

-We like new stuff and it's fun to have the new thing.

-They are basically portable storage banks and can power things in our homes when the power is out.

-They divorce us from foreign interests like OPEC, for their daily operation. Coal is mined in the US. NG is mined in the US. Many of us have solar on our homes or in the back yard.

-Lastly, if we keep them 50k miles, they may tip our CO2 footprint. But we don't really care.
 
If it doesnt get axed by the powers that be because it would actually work I’d be surprised. And all this EV push to “save the environment” would be all for “nothing”.
 
I think implementation on a big enough scale is the issue. To scrub enough CO2 to get back to ~300ppm needs 550 billion tons removed.
This is a handy way to get CO2 out of the air, but it still needs to put somewhere, probably liquified and injected into the ground?
Probably this is part of a solution, but not the only part.
 
I think very few EV owners care.

We buy them because:

-They are very cheap to operate.

-The level of performance is insane, and it's even more sedate than the most chill ICE vehicle when you want it to be.

-Traction in bad weather is next level.

-Daily operating (fuel) is very cheap.

-We like new stuff and it's fun to have the new thing.

-They are basically portable storage banks and can power things in our homes when the power is out.

-They divorce us from foreign interests like OPEC, for their daily operation. Coal is mined in the US. NG is mined in the US. Many of us have solar on our homes or in the back yard.

-Lastly, if we keep them 50k miles, they may tip our CO2 footprint. But we don't really care.
Pretty much this. My fuel isn’t as cheap because PG&E is a scam but it’s still slightly cheaper than a gas car and I’ll occasionally find free charging and that’s a bonus.
 
I think implementation on a big enough scale is the issue. To scrub enough CO2 to get back to ~300ppm needs 550 billion tons removed.
This is a handy way to get CO2 out of the air, but it still needs to put somewhere, probably liquified and injected into the ground?
Probably this is part of a solution, but not the only part.

Ignoring the size of the issue. I feel like 'injecting it back into the ground' would be the easy bit considering we've been drilling it out the ground for what... 2371 years now? :ROFLMAO:
 
Ignoring the size of the issue. I feel like 'injecting it back into the ground' would be the easy bit considering we've been drilling it out the ground for what... 2371 years now? :ROFLMAO:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp...global-fossil-fuel-production-infographic.jpg
So its about the above times 3 to keep even with CO2 production(3 tons of CO2 produced from 1 ton of carbon burned), plus some more each year to actually knock back the 550B tons...
Seems expensive, but maybe CO2 injection is cheaper than oil extraction?
 
Pretty much this. My fuel isn’t as cheap because PG&E is a scam but it’s still slightly cheaper than a gas car and I’ll occasionally find free charging and that’s a bonus.
I promise it's cheaper than an X3M Comp or RSQ8 or Urus or similar performing vehicle to fuel.
 
I scanned through the article, but I didn't see what I was looking for: how much CO2 is made in order to make this material? I'm guessing they took this into account, but I didn't see it explicitly stated: if ___ amount of this can absorb one pound of CO2, was more than or less than one pound of CO2 generated to make that ___ amount of material?
 
There is a lot of neat ideas in the lab but that doesn't mean they are practical to implement or use on a large scale.

Unfortunately scientists also need to be hype men like Elon Musk, he gets more people to invest in Tesla by showing robotaxis, scientists need to get the next batch of research grants.

Sometimes the person who gets the most grants is not the one who has the most quality research, but the one why hypes it the most.
 
-They divorce us from foreign interests like OPEC, for their daily operation. Coal is mined in the US. NG is mined in the US. Many of us have solar on our homes or in the back yard.
USA is a net exporter of crude oil and has been since 2020. Even the lying EIA agrees.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

Cheap oil provides almost free fuel source of Nat gas for electricity - which is 43% of electricity produced here. Without cheap USA oil, natural gas would cost at least 3X. Ask Europe.

So your EV is powered by cheap USA produced fossil fuels. Just correcting the record.
 
USA is a net exporter of crude oil and has been since 2020. Even the lying EIA agrees.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

Cheap oil provides almost free fuel source of Nat gas for electricity - which is 43% of electricity produced here. Without cheap USA oil, natural gas would cost at least 3X. Ask Europe.

So your EV is powered by cheap USA produced fossil fuels. Just correcting the record.
My electric co-op sent me this when I asked for a break-down in 2021. Also, my own solar energy comes from of course the sun.


-61% coal, 19% wind, 10% natural gas, 7% hydro, and 3% purchased from elsewhere.

Now, oil...see, a lot of people think "Oil is oil". It's black, slick, comes from the ground, turn it into gasoline, yeah?

Not all oil is chemically the same.

To make this super simple since I am neither a geologist or tribologist, and by your message, neither are you...

...The US does produce enough oil to meet our own needs...but we can't. Because the oil we produce here is light sweet. However, because for so long imported oil (heavy sour) was so CHEAP, America built our refineries for that chemistry, so now, to get gasoline, a majority of it is produced from imported oil.

So you see, despite producing more than we import...we still need those imports, and they directly influence the cost of gasoline. That is why Russia invading Ukraine had such an impact at the pump. Yet my electricity? Nada. Still the same price per kwh delivered as when I moved in, in 2017, again not factoring my solar panels.

Going solar and EV lowered my costs, AND fixed my costs against foreign influence, compared to a gas powered vehicle.

Now, let's say you live in an area that does refine domestic oil and the local power co-op uses it. That's well and good, but supply and demand is still going to hammer you when the price of gasoline goes up due to those foreign actors, because the power company is likely not the sole customer of that refinery.
 
My electric co-op sent me this when I asked for a break-down in 2021. Also, my own solar energy comes from of course the sun.


-61% coal, 19% wind, 10% natural gas, 7% hydro, and 3% purchased from elsewhere.

Now, oil...see, a lot of people think "Oil is oil". It's black, slick, comes from the ground, turn it into gasoline, yeah?

Not all oil is chemically the same.

To make this super simple since I am neither a geologist or tribologist, and by your message, neither are you...

...The US does produce enough oil to meet our own needs...but we can't. Because the oil we produce here is light sweet. However, because for so long imported oil (heavy sour) was so CHEAP, America built our refineries for that chemistry, so now, to get gasoline, a majority of it is produced from imported oil.

So you see, despite producing more than we import...we still need those imports, and they directly influence the cost of gasoline. That is why Russia invading Ukraine had such an impact at the pump. Yet my electricity? Nada. Still the same price per kwh delivered as when I moved in, in 2017, again not factoring my solar panels.

Going solar and EV lowered my costs, AND fixed my costs against foreign influence, compared to a gas powered vehicle.

Now, let's say you live in an area that does refine domestic oil and the local power co-op uses it. That's well and good, but supply and demand is still going to hammer you when the price of gasoline goes up due to those foreign actors, because the power company is likely not the sole customer of that refinery.
And again you missed the whole point, just like you missed the whole point of the thread to begin with.

US is a net exporter of crude, and 43% of US electricity is produced by Natural gas, and most of that comes as a byproduct of shale oil production - ie its almost free you just need to ship it. There still flaring gas in the bakken. Without that gas our electricity would be much more expensive.

Now we do have a refining problem, but that problem resides on the West coast because they never connected to the US production system East of the Rockies. So their refineries still use foreign crude. In fact a lot more of it is now coming from Canada, as another member has here has posted several times.

The refineries in Houston and other Eastern locations refine USA oil. We do ship crude out of the gulf coast for other locations so they can refine it. And even in some cases we ship foreign refined product back in East of the Rockies. But it doesn't change the fact that were net exporters of crude, and our refining issues are direct results of poor decisions on our part, not ability, IMHO. OPEC is pretty much irrelevant to the US at this point.
 
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And again you missed the whole point, just like you missed the whole point of the thread to begin with.

US is a net exporter of crude, and 43% of US electricity is produced by Natural gas, and most of that comes as a byproduct of shale oil production - ie its almost free you just need to ship it. There still flaring gas in the bakken. Without that gas our electricity would be much more expensive.

Now we do have a refining problem, but that problem resides on the West coast because they never connected to the US production system East of the Rockies. So their refineries still use foreign crude. In fact a lot more of it is now coming from Canada, as another member has here has posted several times.

The refineries in Houston and other Eastern locations refine USA oil. We do ship crude out of the gulf coast for other locations so they can refine it. And even in some cases we ship foreign refined product back in East of the Rockies. But it doesn't change the fact that were net exporters of crude, and our refining issues are direct results of poor decisions on our part, not ability, IMHO. OPEC is pretty much irrelevant to the US at this point.
I'll remind you of this when some foreign issue causes a gas spike and not an electricity spike.
 
I'll remind you of this when some foreign issue causes a gas spike and not an electricity spike.
I have circled for you the "spike" when 1,000+ people were killed in Israel and the next middle east war was supposed to have started.

Data trumps Fearmongering. Its no longer 1973.

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USA is a net exporter of crude oil and has been since 2020. Even the lying EIA agrees.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

Cheap oil provides almost free fuel source of Nat gas for electricity - which is 43% of electricity produced here. Without cheap USA oil, natural gas would cost at least 3X. Ask Europe.

So your EV is powered by cheap USA produced fossil fuels. Just correcting the record.
Umm, net export of petroleum, not net exporter of crude oil. Minor detail, but you have to include petroleum products in the total for the math to work.
 
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