interesting arx claim
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Sorry for the confusion, demarpaint. The Pennzoil comment was sarcastic, saying that I've seen little evidence of how well PP and PU clean. I suspect they are probably good at keeping a new engine clean, but not at cleaning up old deposits. This is not a criticism of Pennzoil, which is a top notch company, but rather pointing out the blind faith of some Pennzoil fans.
ARX and mountains of evidence? Blind faith of Pennzoil fans? I see a few testimonials and a few pics ,far from the “mountains of evidence” you claim.
IMO you are the one running on “blind faith”.
Pennzoil already stated on this board that it does clean old sludge. If they post that here at BITOG knowing full well that people like you would attempt to disclaim it you can bet they can back it up with some pretty clear factual data.
I'd be willing to bet Pennzoil has tested their products, spending more than any small company could possibly afford to spend, and can back up the claims. Of all the major oil companies, I would consider SOPUS one of the more "honest" of the oil companies. JMO
Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Sorry for the confusion, demarpaint. The Pennzoil comment was sarcastic, saying that I've seen little evidence of how well PP and PU clean. I suspect they are probably good at keeping a new engine clean, but not at cleaning up old deposits. This is not a criticism of Pennzoil, which is a top notch company, but rather pointing out the blind faith of some Pennzoil fans.
ARX and mountains of evidence? Blind faith of Pennzoil fans? I see a few testimonials and a few pics ,far from the “mountains of evidence” you claim.
IMO you are the one running on “blind faith”.
Pennzoil already stated on this board that it does clean old sludge. If they post that here at BITOG knowing full well that people like you would attempt to disclaim it you can bet they can back it up with some pretty clear factual data.
I'd be willing to bet Pennzoil has tested their products, spending more than any small company could possibly afford to spend, and can back up the claims. Of all the major oil companies, I would consider SOPUS one of the more "honest" of the oil companies. JMO
This is one of the few products on the market that does exactly what it says it will do based on my experience using ARX over the last few years. So I have no evidence that the ARX claim is untrue. It's unfortunate that some on this forum consider it their destiny to stop others from trying it for themselves. But if that's how people get their kicks, I guess I can't stop them.
Originally Posted By: ccapital83
this comes straight from auto rx site,
The ester combination provides polarity to the host oil, giving the lubricant an attraction to metal surfaces, reclaiming these surfaces from the contamination. Lubricating oils perform well in clean working conditions. Lubricating oils can either lubricate or clean. They cannot do both well. Detergents in motor oils are added to try and maintain a clean system. They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.
i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?
Originally Posted By: ccapital83
this comes straight from auto rx site,
The ester combination provides polarity to the host oil, giving the lubricant an attraction to metal surfaces, reclaiming these surfaces from the contamination. Lubricating oils perform well in clean working conditions. Lubricating oils can either lubricate or clean. They cannot do both well. Detergents in motor oils are added to try and maintain a clean system. They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.
i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?
Well said, Indynac.
Warning someone against a product, after trying it yourself, is something else.
But, people who bash a product they have never tried themselves, just have a sick need of pushing their own belief, to others. And most probably also have a MBD(minimal brain damage).
Warning someone against a product, after trying it yourself, is something else.
But, people who bash a product they have never tried themselves, just have a sick need of pushing their own belief, to others. And most probably also have a MBD(minimal brain damage).
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Folks can worship ARX all you want i used it with zero results.I call it as i see it,i spent the cash and got nothing worth talking about.I have 5 or 6 full bottles of this stuff that will probably end up going into the used oil burner.Who knows it may clean the nozzle but i doubt it.I just hate to see someone spend good money and get less results than with something they can get at wallys for less then $4
Frank has insulted,belittled and called people liars on this forum many times.If someone wants to defend him knock yourself out,personally i could care less.
Frank has insulted,belittled and called people liars on this forum many times.If someone wants to defend him knock yourself out,personally i could care less.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Folks can worship ARX all you want i used it with zero results.I call it as i see it,i spent the cash and got nothing worth talking about.I have 5 or 6 full bottles of this stuff that will probably end up going into the used oil burner.Who knows it may clean the nozzle but i doubt it.I just hate to see someone spend good money and get less results than with something they can get at wallys for less then $4
Frank has insulted,belittled and called people liars on this forum many times.If someone wants to defend him knock yourself out,personally i could care less.
Wow, I could have written just that!
Not that i don't believe that Arx has NOT worked for other people, just it did no tangible good for me. (I still have one bottle left,I'm not sure what to do with it, I can't believe it to do any good , but perhaps I should give it another try in something.
Franks attitude is another issue altogether. I don't believe he is a lying Snake oil salesman (as has been suggested) But he sure can be a nasty peice of work if he feels his product 'may' be under attack. (personal experience NOT on this site!)
'I' feel that is worth mentioning on this site, It's not just what we buy, it's the sellers and dealers as well.
Folks can worship ARX all you want i used it with zero results.I call it as i see it,i spent the cash and got nothing worth talking about.I have 5 or 6 full bottles of this stuff that will probably end up going into the used oil burner.Who knows it may clean the nozzle but i doubt it.I just hate to see someone spend good money and get less results than with something they can get at wallys for less then $4
Frank has insulted,belittled and called people liars on this forum many times.If someone wants to defend him knock yourself out,personally i could care less.
Wow, I could have written just that!
Not that i don't believe that Arx has NOT worked for other people, just it did no tangible good for me. (I still have one bottle left,I'm not sure what to do with it, I can't believe it to do any good , but perhaps I should give it another try in something.
Franks attitude is another issue altogether. I don't believe he is a lying Snake oil salesman (as has been suggested) But he sure can be a nasty peice of work if he feels his product 'may' be under attack. (personal experience NOT on this site!)
'I' feel that is worth mentioning on this site, It's not just what we buy, it's the sellers and dealers as well.
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
Well said, Indynac.
Warning someone against a product, after trying it yourself, is something else.
But, people who bash a product they have never tried themselves, just have a sick need of pushing their own belief, to others. And most probably also have a MBD(minimal brain damage).
True, and then there are those of us who see people coming here with an agenda trying to push products making claims that defy logic, then cry foul when called out!
Well said, Indynac.
Warning someone against a product, after trying it yourself, is something else.
But, people who bash a product they have never tried themselves, just have a sick need of pushing their own belief, to others. And most probably also have a MBD(minimal brain damage).
True, and then there are those of us who see people coming here with an agenda trying to push products making claims that defy logic, then cry foul when called out!
Originally Posted By: bmtechguy
If Auto-Rx does not work for someone, I would not bash them in any way, nor would I bash the product or its inventor.
When ARX was a sponsor and any member who used the product and said it did not work was attacked.
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It is unrealistic to expect a miracle fix-all from an oil additive.
That's so true, but when you spend almost $27.00 for a bottle of auto-rx you expectations are higher than if you spent $4.00 for another oil additive.
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And finally, I want to make it clear to some of you who may be thinking along these lines: Frank did not call or email me and prompt me to comment here. I do not get paid in any way to comment here or on his forum.
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I see that you are a MODERATOR on the Auto-Rx Forum, and since I was once a Moderator on the ARX Forum, I know exactly what is going on here, I will not air out the dirty laundry here in the Oil Additive Section, but if anyone is interested, they can PM me.
If Auto-Rx does not work for someone, I would not bash them in any way, nor would I bash the product or its inventor.
When ARX was a sponsor and any member who used the product and said it did not work was attacked.
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It is unrealistic to expect a miracle fix-all from an oil additive.
That's so true, but when you spend almost $27.00 for a bottle of auto-rx you expectations are higher than if you spent $4.00 for another oil additive.
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And finally, I want to make it clear to some of you who may be thinking along these lines: Frank did not call or email me and prompt me to comment here. I do not get paid in any way to comment here or on his forum.
Questions & Answers -> Auto-Rx for Engines
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Total Posts: 1101
Moderators: dbdeland, BrianWC, Frank, TurboJim, Richone, Frank Miller, johnoh, bmwtechguy, geeaea, Panthermike, wordpro
I see that you are a MODERATOR on the Auto-Rx Forum, and since I was once a Moderator on the ARX Forum, I know exactly what is going on here, I will not air out the dirty laundry here in the Oil Additive Section, but if anyone is interested, they can PM me.
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Trav. if your going to burn it, I will buy it from you.
Ship it to me, I'll pay you for it.
Let me say that i apologize for my poor choice of words.This is by no means a retraction of my personal feelings only that the forum was probably the wrong place to air them.
As far as moderators coming here from another forum and claiming to have no dog in the race and apparently running to the rescue after the alarm was sounded,i will keep any comments out of the forum.
As far as moderators coming here from another forum and claiming to have no dog in the race and apparently running to the rescue after the alarm was sounded,i will keep any comments out of the forum.
Now can you give me todays crypto key so I can decipher your last post?
sour grapes= agenda to discredit.
And it's so obvious it's ridiculous.
I don't see Trav as having an agenda, he tried the product it didn't work. It is obvious it has worked for some people and hasn't worked for others. Seems when someone posts the product didn't work there are people quick to defend, that seems to trigger off a chain reaction. Maybe if people just said what they had to say, and others respected their views things would be different. JMO
Maybe he spent to much time 'looking under the valve cover', a quaint American custom that still makes people laugh whenever I mention it.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Maybe he spent to much time 'looking under the valve cover', a quaint American custom that still makes people laugh whenever I mention it.
I thought you had to do that to become an official member of the ARx cult??
Maybe he spent to much time 'looking under the valve cover', a quaint American custom that still makes people laugh whenever I mention it.
I thought you had to do that to become an official member of the ARx cult??
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I don't see Trav as having an agenda, he tried the product it didn't work.
It didn't work for what he wanted it to work for. That doesn't mean it didn't do anything at all.
I don't see Trav as having an agenda, he tried the product it didn't work.
It didn't work for what he wanted it to work for. That doesn't mean it didn't do anything at all.
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Maybe he spent to much time 'looking under the valve cover', a quaint American custom that still makes people laugh whenever I mention it.
I thought you had to do that to become an official member of the ARx cult??
Especially since, when you see those pics flash by on that quaint arx site are of............ wait for it............... what's under valve covers.
Seen that site many times. Not a single pic of a piston ring to be had.
And before anyone gets snippy, I'm nearly done an 8k mile rinse phase.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Maybe he spent to much time 'looking under the valve cover', a quaint American custom that still makes people laugh whenever I mention it.
I thought you had to do that to become an official member of the ARx cult??
Especially since, when you see those pics flash by on that quaint arx site are of............ wait for it............... what's under valve covers.
Seen that site many times. Not a single pic of a piston ring to be had.
And before anyone gets snippy, I'm nearly done an 8k mile rinse phase.
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"Especially since, when you see those pics flash by on that quaint arx site are of............ wait for it............... what's under valve covers."
Oh, you mean those before and after pics, that just happen to be Sepia tinted Before, and Blue tinted After.
Personally I never did lift my valve cover, nor did I cut open an Oil filter, I was looking for tangible results, like improved Compression, Improved Performance or improved economy.
Oh, you mean those before and after pics, that just happen to be Sepia tinted Before, and Blue tinted After.
Personally I never did lift my valve cover, nor did I cut open an Oil filter, I was looking for tangible results, like improved Compression, Improved Performance or improved economy.
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