interesting arx claim

[ccapital83]

this comes straight from auto rx site,
The ester combination provides polarity to the host oil, giving the lubricant an attraction to metal surfaces, reclaiming these surfaces from the contamination. Lubricating oils perform well in clean working conditions. Lubricating oils can either lubricate or clean. They cannot do both well. Detergents in motor oils are added to try and maintain a clean system. They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.



i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?

 

[Gene K]

In my opinion they are effective against newer softer deposits that are just forming but not really against older harder ones. Its kind of like the difference between plaque and tarter.

 

[Gary Allan]

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i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?


The newest evolutions appear to do something for existing formations. They're probably best at resisting deposit formation.

There's a time/service line of usage that's going to determine how much/how long ...not at all...create new deposits. If you see what I mean.

For example: I had some moly slug in my engine from a VSOT treatment. Showed virtually no moly on UOA until I used Bruce's moly free formula and something in the oil disrupted the formation and it was leaching moly for over 10k miles to the tune of 150+ppm. It was obvious that the older RTS (SL) didn't even see the stuff.

Now if I continued to use that formula or other formulas that would continue to disrupt that formation, eventually it would have gone away.

The Auto-Rx treatment virtually eliminated it in one application of 1500/1500 miles (double dose).

So suppose you've got deposits. You can take the protracted approach and (usually) short change your OCI and wait (perhaps) years ..or get it out of the way in a shorter period.

 

[mechanicx]

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They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.



That might be true with AD in aircraft oils but I don't think it is true with the detergents in vehicle motor oil. But I guess it all comes down to the definition of "little". From what I've read ARX seems to do little cleaning of deposits already formed in engines.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
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They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.



That might be true with AD in aircraft oils but I don't think it is true with the detergents in vehicle motor oil. But I guess it all comes down to the definition of "little". From what I've read ARX seems to do little cleaning of deposits already formed in engines.


Depends on the location of the deposits.

 

[Trav]

IMO its very simple.Would you believe a huge highly respected multi national company that spends millions on R&D,works together with auto makers,meets SAE,API,ACEA etc,has as many test mules as they need or want,can conduct million mile test for every change in formulation or an internet snake oil salesman?

If Pennzoil,Mobil,etc claims their product removes old deposits i believe them.The level of "clean" may be a point for debate but in general i believe they are trustworthy and can substantiate their claims.

Hang on a minute and let me get my flame proof suit on.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: ccapital83
this comes straight from auto rx site


PURE MARKETING

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The ester combination provides polarity to the host oil, giving the lubricant an attraction to metal surfaces,


Most of today's engines are made out of ALUMINUM, since aluminum is not a magnetic type of metal I do not understand this attraction to metal surfaces.

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Lubricating oils can either lubricate or clean. They cannot do both well.


We will see what happens with the new oil's that meet the GF-5 spec.

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i have a hard time believing the add packs in popular oils like pp rp pu m1 dont clean sludge what do youall think?


Pennzoil Platinum claims to clean up 46% of the Sludge on the 1st OCI and Pennzoil Ultra suposodely cleans up to 36% better than Pennzoil Platinum.

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Detergents in motor oils are added to try and maintain a clean system. They do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.


We have seen Valvetrain Pics from arx users so we can say that arx will do little to nothing on deposits that have already formed.

 

[badtlc]

Aluminum conducts electricity. Polarization has to do with the location of charges in a molecule/atom. The attraction is a charge based attraction not a magnetic attraction.

Now claiming a polarized compound clings to a non-conducting, non-charged surface wouldn't make sense.

and there are pictures on this sit showing valve train areas where deposits were cleaned with Auto-RX, maybe not completely, but they were cleaned.

 

[c3po]

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1608942/

 

[Gary Allan]

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Most of today's engines are made out of ALUMINUM, since aluminum is not a magnetic type of metal I do not understand this attraction to metal surfaces.


A balloon isn't magnetic nor even metal. Rub it against your head and see it stick to the wall. How's it do that? How does a water softener work?

It's called polarity.

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Pennzoil Platinum claims to clean up 46% of the Sludge on the 1st OCI and Pennzoil Ultra suposodely cleans up to 36% better than Pennzoil Platinum.


PURE MARKETING

Did they show you want they started with to remove xx% of it? Nope.

 

[c3po]

Pennzoil Platinum is not PURE MARKETING like arx, I have used PP and noticed results, all arx did was load up my oil filters.

 

[lipadj46]

Originally Posted By: c3po

Most of today's engines are made out of ALUMINUM, since aluminum is not a magnetic type of metal I do not understand this attraction to metal surfaces.


Ha! its been a while since high school chemistry huh?

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Pennzoil Platinum is not PURE MARKETING like arx, I have used PP and noticed results, all arx did was load up my oil filters.



Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

 

[sprintman]

Loads the filters ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm like it's supposed to. That will do me thanks. And I'm about to drain Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 after 12,000 odd kms with RX, the state of the filter will be interesting.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
Loads the filters ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm like it's supposed to.


Arx is supposed to dissolve contaniments, instead it breaks them off into chunks which will clog up your oil filters.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Loads the filters ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm like it's supposed to.


Arx is supposed to dissolve contaniments, instead it breaks them off into chunks which will clog up your oil filters.



Uh, if you read (it used to anyway) AutoRX says it works by suspending contaminants and carrying them to the oil filter for removal. That is when the gunk is actually removed from the engine. So technically, if you never changed your filter, AutoRX could never do ANY cleaning and the gunk would all remain in the system.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
AutoRX says it works by suspending contaminants and carrying them to the oil filter for removal


In theory that is what arx says, but in reality what is really happening is that arx breaks stuff off into small chunks that can clog lifters, we have too many testimonials here from arx users who said they were experiencing noises, these noises were worse when the weather was cold because arx also thickens up when the temperature gets below 50 degrees.

Even when arx mixes with motor oil this does not change its characteristics too thicken up below 50 degrees.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: badtlc
AutoRX says it works by suspending contaminants and carrying them to the oil filter for removal


In theory that is what arx says, but in reality what is really happening is that arx breaks stuff off into small chunks that can clog lifters, we have too many testimonials here from arx users who said they were experiencing noises, these noises were worse when the weather was cold because arx also thickens up when the temperature gets below 50 degrees.

Even when arx mixes with motor oil this does not change its characteristics too thicken up below 50 degrees.


lol, I see you have finally resorted to just making stuff up. I'm glad you care so much.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: badtlc

lol, I see you have finally resorted to just making stuff up.


I don't have to make anything up, I used arx in one of my cars for 24,000 miles and in the other car for 10,000 miles, I know what it can and cannot do.

 

[Vspec]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: badtlc

lol, I see you have finally resorted to just making stuff up.


I don't have to make anything up, I used arx in one of my cars for 24,000 miles and in the other car for 10,000 miles, I know what it can and cannot do.


c3po, with due respect you didn't follow the instructions at all if you ran auto-rx for a 24k\10k oil change interval.

Thats what I read out of it anyways.

In either case i've used auto-rx in the following applications...

93 Nissan 240sx with SR20DET swap (Compression rose and evened out across all cylinders) Oil filters had [censored] in them, not chunks just liquid sludge.

03 Nissan Sentra SER Spec-v - no changes noted worth mentioning

04 Subaru WRX STi - Again, a change in compression for the positive.

03 Jag X-type - General feel goodness, owner noted a 3mpg increase on average, could be a different pedal approach (lead vs vs non-lead foot)

05 Subaru WRx STi - no changes.

97 Pontiac Bonneville - Transmission no longer slipped (trans treatment) engine oil pressure gauge read "better"

Now im using it in an old 86 Toyota Corolla GTS 4AGE.

I have no doubts it will clean the rings.