Interested in views on Red Line & Neo

[XS650]

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Originally posted by Pablo:

XS650 - it does not. In the one test engine it lowered the temp a bit (has not been reproduced outside of Redline) But look at the graph - nearly identical curves. Now - Look at the Redline graph scale. Very gimicky IMHO.

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We essentially duplicated these Redline results...

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DYNO TEST RESULTS
Dynomometer tests performed by Malcolm Garrett
Racing Engines showed significant improvements in
coolant temperatures using WaterWetter®. These
tests were performed with a Chevrolet 350 V-8 with a
cast iron block and aluminum cylinder heads. The
thermostat temperature was 160°F. The engine operated
at 7200 rpm for three hours and the stabilized
cooling system temperature was recorded and tabulated
below:
Cooling System Fluid Stabilized Temperature
50% Glycol/ 50% Water 228°F
50/50 with WaterWetter® 220°F
Water 220°F
Water with WaterWetter® 202°F
These numbers are similar to the temperatures
recorded in track use and heavy-duty street use.

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...at my former employer on a government contract using a Detroit Diesel 6V92-TIA in a cooling test dyno cell.

 

[Pablo]

I won't ask you for data. But I believe you. We saw no such temperature drop in a 4 cylinder test stand engine, so I consider the product a gimmick for street applications.

 

[N2OIL]

Neo may not exist without Amsoil?
NEO - a leader in synthetic oils since 1970.
I pulled the quote right off the Neo website.
I guess 1972 is after 1970 some how?

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by biomed_eng_2000:
oil newbie,


The people hanging out here are oil "fans", "fans" meaning short for fanatics.

You wouldn't want to interview Christian or Muslim "fanatics" to get a view of how "regular" Christians or Muslims felt about a religous subject.

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You learn a lot by looking at the outer boundries of a problem. You get a preview of the future at the edge, the trick is knowing which edge to look over. Looking at the middle only tells you where the herd is today.

 

[sprintman]

NEO is very highly regarded and is actually mandatory in some racing transmissions. F1, Indy, IRL etc. I use Redline oils myself. Can't afford the engine oil anymore but all gear/diff/p/s oils are Redline. Subaru head mechanic at my dealership was surprised when he did the 100,000km service on my Outback recently. He didn't believe the g'box and diff oils had done 50,000kms as they looked like new.
hope this helps?

 

[gtx510]

Neo = Grp V?
I remember their old ads called their oil "magnetic". I guess consumers don't understand what polar means?


What's interesting to me is their brake fluid. That's new, isn't it?
And the name, Super DOT 610, sounds like GS610 brake fluid. Maybe Neo makes the GS610 stuff?
www.neosyntheticoil.com/bkfluid.htm
www.gs610usa.com

 

[Pablo]

N2OIL wrote:

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Neo may not exist without Amsoil?
NEO - a leader in synthetic oils since 1970.
I pulled the quote right off the Neo website.
I guess 1972 is after 1970 some how?

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I think somebody was playing fast and loose with dates:

From http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/company.html (their "NEW" site) :

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Neo’s History

Paul Baker has developed the NEO SYNTHETIC OIL COMPANY to meet the ever-changing needs of the automotive industry.
Back in the 80's, even the major oil companies held the philosophy that in order to improve an oil product's performance, they needed to thicken the product. Paul Baker realized that what was needed was a stronger product - not necessarily a heavier product. He took his existing oil and experimented with some of the additives available at that time.
Paul began to see improvement, strengthening his belief that thinner oils were the key. He saw a new direction in the development of synthetic oil for racing and automotive applications - thus NEO SYNTHETIC OIL was born.

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No mention of 1970.

From their "OLD" site:

http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/index_old.html

http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/about.htm

Something tells me they were caught in a "marketing fib" and had to remove the reference to 1970. Believe me NEO synthetic oil did NOT exist in 1970. Should tell you something about the company. (Also the new site needs updating as well)

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Also, I wrote:

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....Redline and NEO may not be in existence without Amsoil, or at least they would have had it harder as well.

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I want to be really clear here for our marketing person (oil newbie). Who broke into the public first? Who took the abuse for: "What? $6 qt/oil!!!"? Synthetic could NOT be sold on the shelf in the early 1970's, and there was no www

. It took an "army". Oil Newbie - Your company should fork over the $9.95 for the DVD (just fast forward through the first 45 minutes about Al's childhood).

[ August 13, 2006, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Pablo ]

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by AndyH:
Ted, in this article?
The Big Debate Over Synthetic Oils For Your Car (Part1)
The Big Debate Over Synthetic Oils For Your Car (Part2)
The Big Debate Over Synthetic Oils For Your Car (Part3)

I skimmed the article just now and couldn't locate any reference to Neo. I did see a company named "Eon" mentioned a few times however. Same company, different name?

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Sounds like a name change.
http://www.forwardlook.net/6265-archive/msg00640.html
As with anything else you read on the web (or anyplace else), it might be true.

 

[Pablo]

That does not at all match NEO's web history.

 

[buster]

I don't have a view on NEO bc they are so small and insignificant in the oil world. I don'tknow much about them. My opinion of course. I do use RL currently and think it's an excellent oil.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Pablo:
We saw no such temperature drop in a 4 cylinder test stand engine, so I consider the product a gimmick for street applications.

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Who ran this test? Where are the results published?

 

[Pablo]

Not published. A group of us at Cal Poly.

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by Pablo:
Not published. A group of us at Cal Poly.

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Was the thermostat blocked open for the test?

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Pablo:
Not published. A group of us at Cal Poly.

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Oh, OK. Not peer reviewed or duplicated by peers. Nuff said.

 

[Pablo]

No thermostat.

I think if you look at Redline's own graph, WW has very limited effect on 50:50 AF mix especially in a street car and to sell it to ricers, et al - it's gimicky. Look at the graph critically.

I think WW is great with straight H2O. Please can we get back to the original topic?

 

[N2OIL]

I am still missing your point of who brought it first. Do some research synthetics have been around before 1972.

 

[N2OIL]

XS 650 glad you posted. EON is indeed NEO. You notice in the article Amzoil as well. Both companies were sued and had to change their names. Pennzoil sued the amsoil for the Z. Exxon sued EON for the same issue. Engineers for Exxon quit to start EON and the XOM boys were upset so they made them change the name. For spite to get as close but different NEO was chosen.

 

[Pablo]

Yes but the article was 1976.

Obviously synthetic oil has been around since the 1930's (Germany). Was it available for passenger cars? No - who marketed the first synthetic oil for passenger cars in the USA?

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Pablo:
Obviously synthetic oil has been around since the 1930's (Germany). Was it available for passenger cars? No - who marketed the first synthetic oil for passenger cars in the USA?

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Does it really matter who was the first?

 

[Pablo]

Doesn't really matter, my point was lost somewhere. The main point was just how tough it was for anyone to actually sell synthetics in the early days and as much as people hate Al, he cut the ice (and has been recognized by the industry for doing so). Enough said.