Integra Type R head running royal purple

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This was posted on Facebook earlier this week,no relation to me,just a copy'n paste of description and uploaded the photo.

My brothers 00' Integra Type R head running royal purple (clean aluminum) V.S. Customers 99' Civic Si (golden brown) head running unknown oil.. Both around same mileage, regular oil changed done to both. What would you choose? The 00' ITR head was pulled apart to rebuild. NO CLEANING PRIOR TO PICTURE!

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RP is a very good oil , the results speak for themselves here. However there are better oils available for less these days, that is why I dont use it. Most of the RP bashing on bitog is unwarranted , but the results from the PQIA was underwhelming for RP at least on paper.
 
Looks nice my head off my 4G63 looked as good using redline 5w30. I did use RP racing 10w40 in my 4G63 while running WMI.

I like RP but like others have said there are simply as good an oil out there for less money. I think RP over marketed and that hurt their rep.

That head had to have been at least wiped down there isn't even a drop of oil to be found there.

Jeff
 
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Which version of RP? I have never used RP. One of the only brands I never tried. I'm tempted to try their 5w20 HPS in the Mazda just out of curiosity.
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Looks nice my head off my 4G63 looked as good using redline 5w30. I did use RP racing 10w40 in my 4G63 while running WMI.

I like RP but like others have said there are simply as good an oil out there for less money. I think RP over marketed and that hurt their rep.

That head had to have been at least wiped down there isn't even a drop of oil to be found there.

Jeff


It's hard to find when you first look at the picture,but there's little puddles of oil on the head.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Which version of RP? I have never used RP. One of the only brands I never tried. I'm tempted to try their 5w20 HPS in the Mazda just out of curiosity.


Not sure,as they never said.
 
I've had a few lower mileage engines look that clean with no special oils. RP is a fine product, just a bit over-hyped as the second coming when many popular synthetics at much lower prices are usually available.

Note also there is no proof at all that that varnishing hurts anything, may be strictly a cosmetic benefit...
 
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Originally Posted By: buster
Which version of RP? I have never used RP. One of the only brands I never tried. I'm tempted to try their 5w20 HPS in the Mazda just out of curiosity.



Buster. RP makes euro spec oils in the 5w-30 and 5w-40 flavours and it is still labelled that they contain synerlac.
And I'm ALMOST positive that they had euro spec certs and not just the meets or exceeds cop out
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I've had a few lower mileage engines look that clean with no special oils. RP is a fine product, just a bit over-hyped as the second coming when many popular synthetics at much lower prices are usually available.

Note also there is no proof at all that that varnishing hurts anything, may be strictly a cosmetic benefit...


I pondered that condition for an evening or two.
Varnish is layer upon layer of hardened elements and it could be argued that it contributes/is part of the anti-wear package.
So then I pondered the cam in block engines of days gone by and compared them with today's high tech vvt systems and cylinder deactivation and I came to the conclusion that in older engines without the gadgets and gizmos are likely unaffected by that varnish layer and quite possibly protected by it to a certain extent.
But in today's engines varnish contributes to shrinking already small oil galleys and can cause the small hydraulic actuators that advance the cam for vvt and the hydraulically arrested valves to malfunction due to that hard build up.
These systems are labour intensive to access and repair/replace so an oil with a proven track record for deposit control is the only logical choice in engines with these feature b
Chev has made it easy with the dexos spec. It either meets it or doesn't,there isn't any meets or exceeds stuff going on.
Chrysler who needs a powerful detergent package for use in the hemi to stay on top of the hemi tick possibility makes an oil company jump through hoops just to get their approval when in all truth dodge should do as the Japanese have and formulate an oil for their specific weaknesses and strengths so the consumer can rest assured the oil was custom made for the conditions present in the hemi engine so the oil offers the best possible protection in the hemi's unique platform.
Like emissions. There must be significant blow-by at start up and the engines programming to get the engine up to operating temp as fast as possible which includes high idle,very lean mix,2 plugs which fire milliseconds apart to combust all the fuel present.
Based on what I know of these motors they need an oil with elevated tbn to combat blow-by gasses and fuel dilution and a ton of moly to reduce the co-efficient of friction making the rotating assembly easier to turn.
Zddp isn't really required at the stock level. The valve springs aren't pushing with enough pressure to necessitate requiring much.
Just spitballing
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Note also there is no proof at all that that varnishing hurts anything, may be strictly a cosmetic benefit...



That was my thought, too. Who cares if there is a bit of varnish? Visual inspection isn't too important.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: DragRace
NO CLEANING PRIOR TO PICTURE!


I don't believe that for a second.


No varnish, just clean metal here too:

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The only thing I find weird about the OP's pictures is that it isn't just clean cast aluminum, but rather it is "shiny", which I recall from the Royal Purple cam pictures as well, they looked "polished" and not like virgin camshafts.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: DragRace
NO CLEANING PRIOR TO PICTURE!


I don't believe that for a second.


No varnish, just clean metal here too:

The only thing I find weird about the OP's pictures is that it isn't just clean cast aluminum, but rather it is "shiny", which I recall from the Royal Purple cam pictures as well, they looked "polished" and not like virgin camshafts.


I thought about the "mustang cam thread pictures" when I was posting this picture as well.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Note also there is no proof at all that that varnishing hurts anything, may be strictly a cosmetic benefit...



That was my thought, too. Who cares if there is a bit of varnish? Visual inspection isn't too important.


Varnish comes from the oil oxidizing from heat. Also ring coking comes from oil oxidizing and forming carbon in the area of the rings. Causing stuck rings. Have you ever seen a set of pistons where the rings were loaded with carbon? I have. When this happens you get blow by. Then you get exhaust gases and carbon into the oil pan which circlates through the engine. When this happens you get pre mature bearing wear and wear through out the engine. Also an engine with ring coking will deposit large amounts of carbon into the oil filter, then you know you have issues when you inspect the filter.

On the other hand a very clean engine leaves little in the oil filter, even after long OCIs. I often check my filters for deposites and find almost no carbon.

So to say that oil deposited varnish is OK or just cosmedic is not understanding the bigger picture here. If you are getting a lot of varnish then my advise is to switch to a quality synthetic, and those deposites may begine to improve a bit.

Overk1ll has some old pics of carbon deposites that began to be cleaned up some after an oil change using M1. Maybe he can re post those.
 
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