I had a Evap code on my Dodge 1500 truck. Turned out to be a cracked vac hose. So far, no codes ever on 2002 Cavalier, 2004 Impala, 2008 Malibu and Colorado. I like the OBD-2 system as it tells you more specifically what is wrong. I won't jump into the import vs. domestic debate, but u can see from the cars I own how I stand there.
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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
So your attempt is to continue to stir the import vs. domestic debate? Sorry, that's not worth my time.
Not to stir the debate, not at all. This thread is merely to show him that foreign cars do pop CELs occasionally too, it's not just domestic cars.
Such drama.
There is always going to be someone on the 'net that you will feel compelled to "merely to show him".
Unfortunately, the method of gathering data here is imperfect and not a large enough sampling to draw any conclusions from.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
So your attempt is to continue to stir the import vs. domestic debate? Sorry, that's not worth my time.
Not to stir the debate, not at all. This thread is merely to show him that foreign cars do pop CELs occasionally too, it's not just domestic cars.
Such drama.
There is always going to be someone on the 'net that you will feel compelled to "merely to show him".
Unfortunately, the method of gathering data here is imperfect and not a large enough sampling to draw any conclusions from.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
So your attempt is to continue to stir the import vs. domestic debate? Sorry, that's not worth my time.
Really not sure how this would do that. No one who isn't the biggest of fanboys realizes no one makes a perfect car that never breaks. So of course there are going to be instances of cel lights on any make.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
So your attempt is to continue to stir the import vs. domestic debate? Sorry, that's not worth my time.
Really not sure how this would do that. No one who isn't the biggest of fanboys realizes no one makes a perfect car that never breaks. So of course there are going to be instances of cel lights on any make.
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I like OBD II on anything! I have a couple of scanners and HP tuners for the WS6. IMO it make diagnosis easy as pie when some thing acts up. Lately I haven't had to use any of the stuff... pooh. The Buick and the Equinox don't act up, the Truck is not OBD II and the Trans Am has so much emission [censored] programmed out, I don't think it can throw a CEL anymore...LOL.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
Oi. No, import cars NEVER get CEL's.
Okay in order to prove something to someone.. If you own a "foreign" car (Honda, toyota, etc etc) and have EVER had a CEL come on for anything other than turning on the car, post the make model year here.
Oi. No, import cars NEVER get CEL's.
Oh yes imports are so reliable they are federally exempted from having to install an OBDII hence you will never see a CEL.
Some automakers have gotten into trouble with the EPA because their check engine lights did not come on when they should have.
3 saturns- '02 L200, '04 VUE, and '93 SC1, never had a CEL. the '93 I even swapped in a complete '94 SC2 drivetrain, and it started and ran 1st try, NEVER got a CEL.
'94 Mazda 626, '96 MPV, both got CELs. on the MPV, bad alt and then timing belt about to go out caused codes.
but to be honest, I've never really had many CEL experiences. the '96 MPV was probably the most nigh maintenance car I've ever owned (and a '85 Golf)
'94 Mazda 626, '96 MPV, both got CELs. on the MPV, bad alt and then timing belt about to go out caused codes.
but to be honest, I've never really had many CEL experiences. the '96 MPV was probably the most nigh maintenance car I've ever owned (and a '85 Golf)
96 Honda Civic intermitent CEL for two years lead to two failed O2 sensors and cat converter at 140k. Honda covered it all under some sort punishment extended warranty by EPA.
Subaru Legacy spin the tires stuck in snow bank and CEL, ABS and cruise lights on. It faded off after a few drives.
Subaru Legacy spin the tires stuck in snow bank and CEL, ABS and cruise lights on. It faded off after a few drives.
Only CELs I've gotten on the Saab 93 are ones that I caused by cleaning the throttle body. Apparently..if you dare move the throttle manually (it's drive-by-wire) after the engine's been shut off, the ECU sets a code. I think the ECU only checks this for about an hour or so and then goes to sleep. So you can only move the throttle after the ECU goes to sleep if you don't want it to set a code.
Or, I suppose, you could just disconnect the battery, then clean the throttle.
What other kind of car is capable of logging a code for something that happened when the key wasn't even in the ignition??
Or, I suppose, you could just disconnect the battery, then clean the throttle.
What other kind of car is capable of logging a code for something that happened when the key wasn't even in the ignition??
Not a check engine light, but someone removed the air bag light and unplugged the air bag module in my Crown Vic. I hooked it back up...I think I fixed it, light has not come back since. (There was a pinched wire behind the airbag in the steering wheel which might have been shorting to ground).
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I've never had my CEL come on in either my Altima or my Integra. In my '96 Cavalier however, it came on right before we sold it after a myriad of other problems.
oh hey, mine is on all the time! Since swapping a nice modern motor in my old '86 Subaru wagon I didn't bother to hook up the rear o2 sensor so it throws a code for that. Also, the old tranny doesn't have a neutral position switch so another code. Doesn't affect the way the car drives at all, so no worries here.
The 1997 Mercedes C230 -- had a frustrating bunch of occurrences of the CEL, most probably related to the transmission. It was the first year for MB's new 5-speed electronic tranny, and some of them had troubles. Mine, it turned out, was one.
Said CEL was not predictable, it didn't come on under any predictable set of circumstances -- it sometimes came on when the transmission stuck in gear, and sometimes it didn't. So the dealer and two independent shops couldn't guarantee that their $1500 fix would cure it.
I loved the little 4-cylinder sedan, but a serviced-according-to-the-book transmission shouldn't go out at only 89,000 miles, and it shouldn't be so hard to diagnose that you'd be risking a grand and a half.
Said CEL was not predictable, it didn't come on under any predictable set of circumstances -- it sometimes came on when the transmission stuck in gear, and sometimes it didn't. So the dealer and two independent shops couldn't guarantee that their $1500 fix would cure it.
I loved the little 4-cylinder sedan, but a serviced-according-to-the-book transmission shouldn't go out at only 89,000 miles, and it shouldn't be so hard to diagnose that you'd be risking a grand and a half.
My parents owned 9 import cars that were built when Check Engine lights existed, 2 gave check engine lights:
1987 Hyundai Excel. The carb failed, flooded the engine, and destroyed the O2 sensor in the process. The repair was quite expensive.
1997 Lexus ES300. MAF sensor failed at 37,000 miles and was replaced under warranty.
1987 Hyundai Excel. The carb failed, flooded the engine, and destroyed the O2 sensor in the process. The repair was quite expensive.
1997 Lexus ES300. MAF sensor failed at 37,000 miles and was replaced under warranty.
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