Im trying to inspect a bushing but

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Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
with a mech who can actually manage to get his head under within sight of this bushing with car on ground. The previous 3 mechs didnt bother going very far and only stuck their head as far as the back knuckle bushing goes.

There's your problem: You're not using actual professionals, but driveway grease-monkeys who lack a proper hoist and proper technique (which will correct for lack of a hoist).

Have you ever heard the phrase "false economy"?



Whats false economy? Well they just heard noise from the back bushing and sway bar and figured it was that.

Im gonna try the pics again.
 
No seriously this went on too long. For your own sanity sake take your car to the dealership, tell them your car makes a squeaky squeaky, don't tell them what you think it is because at this point your opinion is useless since you don't seem to know the difference between the tire of the car and its engine. Wait couple of hours the dealer will give you a call "ring ring ring...oh yes mr.carnoobie you need for squeaking you are hearing, and we also recommend . And there you're done...you probably saved money by not replacing because that's what some jiffy lube mechanic thinks is making sound. Then you pay, return home and make a post thanking me. You're welcome
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Originally Posted By: silverrat
I can't believe this has gone 5 pages,

and why not just live with the squeak?


If you checked out my recording and drove this car there is no way you would be able to live with it. Its pretty loud and you very noticable even from 20ft away. Its not just a minor squeak if it was i could live with it. Its serious.
 
Those new pictures are of a squeaky bushing. It may not be making the right squeak, but it squeaks, for sure. When a rubber bushing is pushing out fine rust dust like that it squeaks.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Those new pictures are of a squeaky bushing. It may not be making the right squeak, but it squeaks, for sure. When a rubber bushing is pushing out fine rust dust like that it squeaks.


Thats what my bushing is doing? What woukd cause it to create rust dust? Is it just deteriating?

If it looks that bad then maybe i better change it asap. Which would be sunday.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Those new pictures are of a squeaky bushing. It may not be making the right squeak, but it squeaks, for sure. When a rubber bushing is pushing out fine rust dust like that it squeaks.

I'm guessing that you're right.

The collar appears to be protruding past the control arm, which is the criterion specified by the TSB for a faulty bushing.
 
Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Those new pictures are of a squeaky bushing. It may not be making the right squeak, but it squeaks, for sure. When a rubber bushing is pushing out fine rust dust like that it squeaks.

I'm guessing that you're right.

The collar appears to be protruding past the control arm, which is the criterion specified by the TSB for a faulty bushing.


You mean the collar on the right? Its goin past the control arm?
 
The rust "dust" is from metal-metal contact. An intact bushing will not allow metal-metal contact. So, that bushing has failed and needs to be replaced.

The bushing in the picture is going to be squeaking, but it may not be the only source of squeaking on your car...replace it and see where you are.

If you don't have an impact wrench, frame lift and hydraulic press, I wouldn't embark on bushing replacement...big loads on suspension parts, tight/rusted fasteners and rusted/stuck bushing shells generally are beyond the driveway mechanic...

Price everything out: parts and labor to replace that bushing, then the control arm.

You may find (as I have on a few occasions) that buying the control arm with new bushings and replacing it yourself is much cheaper than the parts and labor to have that one bushing done.

But be very careful working on this one. Potentially, there is lots of load on the control arm, and the leverage and torque required on the fasteners can make for a dangerous situation in the driveway. Follow a service manual for this and ensure that the car is on stable ground, wheels chocked, on a set of jackstands, with back-up of at least another jackstand in case it shifts, spring compressed if needed...
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
The rust "dust" is from metal-metal contact. An intact bushing will not allow metal-metal contact. So, that bushing has failed and needs to be replaced.

The bushing in the picture is going to be squeaking, but it may not be the only source of squeaking on your car...replace it and see where you are.

If you don't have an impact wrench, frame lift and hydraulic press, I wouldn't embark on bushing replacement...big loads on suspension parts, tight/rusted fasteners and rusted/stuck bushing shells generally are beyond the driveway mechanic...

Price everything out: parts and labor to replace that bushing, then the control arm.

You may find (as I have on a few occasions) that buying the control arm with new bushings and replacing it yourself is much cheaper than the parts and labor to have that one bushing done.

But be very careful working on this one. Potentially, there is lots of load on the control arm, and the leverage and torque required on the fasteners can make for a dangerous situation in the driveway. Follow a service manual for this and ensure that the car is on stable ground, wheels chocked, on a set of jackstands, with back-up of at least another jackstand in case it shifts, spring compressed if needed...


So metal to metal means the rubber collar on the right side has worn off?

My mech said he would do it tommorow morning for me. He said he needs 3hrs in case the bolt is seized and has to be cut off.

A c-clamp is used to press the bushing in and out. Mech has it, and he would do it with the car jacked on stands. He has an impact wrench too yes.

Well, in my case I wouldnt replace the control arm but the knuckle itself and put new bushings in. New knuckle from dealer is $350 (F that!) and though id be weary to by a used one from a wrecker, theyre $175 there. Then factor in the 3 bushings, $120 for all 3. For new, looking at $500 and thats just parts! F that!

If I just replace this bushing, the bushing costed me $38. Labour will be anywhere from $120-180.

So I shouldnt bother with the stethescope tommorow and just replace it eh?
 
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Another thing is, replacing knuckle means need alignment after. But just replacing the bushing you can get away with one.
 
Car is at the mechs right now, hes putting the new bushing in. Did the test again with stethescope and yes its the front bushing.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Is the noise gone?


Get car back in an hour, im nervous! Ill be [censored] if this is $80 (what im paying for labour) down the toilet!!!!! I think $80 is a very fair price im paying.

But after doing the test with stethescope, the noise was coming from that bushing. And like you guys say, the bushing right side collar was pushing out rust dust.

I know from experience ill have to give it a few days to really tell if its fixed or not.
 
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now im not happy. Both the front and rear knuckle bushings are toast. Dont have a new rear bushing on me so ill have to order it, meaning ill have to take the car back yet again in the next few days to get it put in.

The only good thing about replacing the rear one is its much quicker job, half hour at most.

Wierd cause this rear bushing we just had out 3 months ago, but i wonder if that previous shop who torqued the bushing after reinstalling with car NOT on the ground killed the bushing. If so those ***** should be paying for the new one.

I dont know, can 3 months of DD on a bushing that was torqued with car in the air (meaning has some twist) go bad in just 3 months?
 
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Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
now im not happy. Both the front and rear knuckle bushings are toast.

Be happy. You've got some evidence to show that the problem is finally going to be fixed. Every time I remove a part and find that I can now see it's clearly shot that makes me feel good.

Originally Posted By: Carnoobie

I dont know, can 3 months of DD on a bushing that was torqued with car in the air (meaning has some twist) go bad in just 3 months?


If it were a brand new bushing, maybe. An older dried out bushing? A couple of days could do it.
 
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