I'm Quiting the Site/Misinformation...

[Jelly]

I have no idea how you some of you guys do it. I'm in school, hooked up to a 2mbit internet connection, and since I have no other responsibilites than work and school (well, no wife, kids, payments, etc...), I have a good deal of time to play around on the 'net.

But there are some of you guys on here that have tons of posts per day, must spend countless hourse online, and that I know have wifes, kids, etc.

How do you do it?
How does your wife feel of you constantly being online?

Anyways...that was just a little question of mine.

Now, like I mentioned in the subject line, I'm gonna have to quit this site. There are so many people on here anymore offering advice that I've lost interest and time in trying to counter their statements/claims and explain why I think they should choose something else. It's awful hard to try and get your point across to someone when you have 25 other suggestions to choose from. Funny thing is, when I actually get to PM someone and talk to them one-on-one, they agree with me on my choice for them, and the few that have gone on to use the oil I suggested have been very happy with it.

Now, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else here...I'm not, but I do feel like I'm much more "knowledgable" in the subject. A year ago, I knew nothing...now I know a good deal more.

But...I guess I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say...maybe that I've gotten tired of writing long drawn-out replys and then just have it overlooked or being told that I'm wrong about my choice for one reason or other by people that obviously know a great deal less about oils than I do.

Can't say I'm an expert in the field, but I've read three books on the issue, and done a great deal of reading online, so I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable, and I would love to share this with other people.

Along with that...maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a great deal of new members on the site here recently. Great for the site, but it seems like many of these people post misinformation about oils, which annoys the heck out of me! Fine of other sites, but BAD here...also, most of these "bad" replys go unreplyed to...leaving other newbies to think that the statements one made is true.

Sorry for the complaining fest here...I guess I'm just not as addicted as some of you others here, and I'm starting to get tired of the place. Sure, we all have different oils we like and suggest for different reasons, but a good amount of people here post factual information, not ideas, thoughts, or just plain information in regards to an oil. BTW, my "complaints" are in regards to the engine oil forums...other ones seem to be great!

Maybe I'll change my mind and stick around here for awhile...maybe not. To those of you I've had the chance to say hello to and learn some names along the way...you're good people and I've enjoyed chattin' along with you on BiTOG. To those of you, and you know who I am talking about...read up on what you are talking/posting about...I'd hate to see this board turn into what others have...some good information mixed in with a some bad information...and you just have to figure out which one is which to get a solid recommendation.

Sad to say, but I think it's almost inevitable.

 

[Spector]

How do you do it?
How does your wife feel of you constantly being online?


Well, after 32 years she has freecell and I have BITOG, seems equitable to me!

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by Spector:
How do you do it?
How does your wife feel of you constantly being online?


Well, after 32 years she has freecell and I have BITOG, seems equitable to me!

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You've been with her twelve years longer than I've been alive!

Sorry if I'm making you feel old...

 

[cryptokid]

jelly, everyones replies get overlooked. espically mine! theres alot of times i see a lengthy reply of mine totally ignored by everyone. you cant let these things discourage you from posting. somtimes people read youre information , consider it and move on, without having anything to reply with or add.

i tried pennzoil long life based on youre comments, and it seems to be a good oil. my motors havent blown yet

if it were not for the fact that i can now get mobil1 for $12 a gallon i would still be using long life. and i do still use long life in other peoples cars and my lawnmowers and such.

 

[Drew99GT]

Jelly, just remind yourself of this fact: IT"S ONLY MOTOR OIL

If people do not take your educated advice, then so be it, it's on them, not you for trying. I'd stick around and just keep giving people your $.02 If someone decides your post is a bunch of BS when your factually correct, then so be it. Let newbies debunk the BS on their own over time. That's what we all had to do

 

[Drew]

I'm quitting this site too. It has become nothing more than an ad forum for Auto-RX and other products and services sold by vendors.

Getting tired of it particularly when auto-rx seems to be advocated as the prescription for every automotive ill. I'm sure it does a great job cleaning printing presses but if I needed a good cleaning of my engine, a quart of kerosene in an engine run at idle for 10-15 minutes is just as effective. Funny how auto-rx now conditions seals...seems like an attempt to retract earlier claims that it swelled seals and stopped oil leaks.

Seems like auto-rx not only condition seals but conditions (brain washes) the minds of the masses too!

 

[V6 Diesel]

Jelly, have a UOA coming up you might be interested in. A co-worker is running Schaeffers 15w-40 in a Ford that calls for 5w-20. Plus throw in this is in Michigan and was -13 the other night. He said no lifter noise during startup.

He ran this stuff for 10K last time, no UOA. Would be interesting to see how this turns out, if your still around that is

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Drew, maybe it's growing in popularity because IT WORKS! Or, we could all just be mindless dolts...

 

[DynaSpeed]

I'd like to throw in my opinion on the matter:

This first point is to people like Jelly (and many others) - Don't get frustrated if somebody doesn't take your advice. The advice to just a single person on a board like this is viewed by hundreds, or maybe thousands. Whatever the response is by that particular person that you are offering advice to is moot. Look at it this way - I look for people with experience and credentials for their unbiased opinions - like Jelly's and others. The other opinions are just filler... and they don't get a second look. Those who have done their homework and offer opinions ,with factual basis to back it up, do NOT get overlooked. Just because somebody like me doesn't post right after and acknowledge this, that doesn't mean the post doesn't count. Your advice is, in fact, viewed, noted, and respected.

2nd point - Infomercial-style marketing that goes on here actually does go over-looked from conscientious buyers, like myself. Just because Jimmy-Joe's Oil Distributing Service has sold a half-million cases of "Slicky-Lube", and they have a half-million people that swear it's doing something good, doesn't exactly mean it's the best thing for my engine.

(If there is actually a Jimmy-Joe's or "Slicky-Lube", I apologize

)

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Dynaspeed, I'd like to think the people in this site are smarter than the general public. And something popular here merits more investigation than Pep Boys top seller.
Nevermind the marketing....filter teardowns, microscopic media evaluation, visual engine inspection, oil analysis, leak stoppage in several trannies and engines and rear ends, elimination of cold shift problem in auto tranny, huge improvemnts in shift quality in two trannies all leave little room for debate. And that's just what I have done/seen. Not to mention what Terry and Molakule, Rick20, Drstressor, Pablo, Ted have said. Drew is probably smarter then them too.

 

[DynaSpeed]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I would have named those names as part of the people whose responses I look for, including yours - but, I didn't think it was necessary. Humbleness is a dying art, especially on internet boards.

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

I apreciate the compliment, but not sure if it changes to an insult?

I am definitely a humble person however. I agree that the internet causes people to be less inhibited and sometimes type before thinking.
You're right it shouldn't be necessary to name names but it just seemed he obviously didn't know who was knowledgable, maybe he could go back an read their comments? I don't really know what my point was. I could really care less if anyone wants to use Auto-RX or if they want to pour Kerosene in their engine. But when someone straight out says the members here are brainwashed and blatently spreds lies about funtion of a product it is a slap in the face i guess? I really don't care. Sorry I fell victim to internet pitfalls. Kinda of wakeup call like Last_Z had, but a little less dangerous! And actually I think this board has become MORE humble with time and experience.

Many are less quick to respond as you learn there can be many causes for something and many different approaches, etc... Many experts (unnamed

) have helped in the humpling process

and others (also unnamed

) have gone unaffected

 

[buster]

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How does your wife feel of you constantly being online?

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She is not happy about it, thats for sure.

I've learned quite a bit on this site and I can tell you I don't know of another one that has educated members like this one. 99.999% of most forums havve no one like a Molekule or Terry who have the knowledge and professionalism they do. This site is still by far the best out there and there isn't another one like it so good luck finding your replacement. You will notice also that most internet forums are all the same. This one is an exception to the norm.

 

[dickwells]

I say save yourself while you can, for me the hook is all the way down and I am chewing on a sinker!

as far as:"How do you do it?
How does your wife feel of you constantly being online?"

My answer is she doesn't care but my boss is getting suspicious.

 

[buster]

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My answer is she doesn't care but my boss is getting suspicious.

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I honestly do feel I push it too far at work. I must hit BITOG 15 times a day. I don't login and post anything anymore, but I do check it for updates, mainly in the UOA section.

 

[MolaKule]

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I'm quitting this site too. It has become nothing more than an ad forum for Auto-RX and other products and services sold by vendors.

Getting tired of it particularly when auto-rx seems to be advocated as the prescription for every automotive ill. I'm sure it does a great job cleaning printing presses but if I needed a good cleaning of my engine, a quart of kerosene in an engine run at idle for 10-15 minutes is just as effective. Funny how auto-rx now conditions seals...seems like an attempt to retract earlier claims that it swelled seals and stopped oil leaks.

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If you payed the advertising dollars for advertising support on this site, then why shouldn't you be allowed to answer questions about your product? Personally, I would prefer to have the advertisers answer questions on their own site(s), and contribute their oil knowledge here only.

As far as ARX, it does all three to varying degrees.


We have to remember, no one begged us to come here and no one is begging us to stay. You have complete freedom to go or stay. I come here because of the common interest we have displayed here in Lubrication and Tribology.
It's your choice.

Dickwells,

My boss doesn't care as long as my physics/engineering proves itself out in the real world.

[ February 17, 2004, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[Dan4510]

I have been watching this thread with interest.

My philosophy is: if you dont like it here, go somewhere else.

I have been on several boards and this one is among the best for civil discourse and good solid information. I also note that more recently people have tried to help on very diverse subjects from oil leaks, injector leaks, and other questions while being civil and helping the person reason thru to the answer.

This cannot be said for many boards. Most are prone to denigrating a newbie or anyone that asks a basic question. NOT HERE people give a good faith effort and if they are unsure of thier answer, they note it.

So, goodbye Jelly, come back when you wish.

Drew, sorry you found the info here so biased. Bye. If you find this site so bad, I would advise you to not come back.

Dan

[ February 17, 2004, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Dan4510 ]

 

[Al]

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Originally posted by Dan4510:
I have been on several boards and this one is among the best for civil discourse and good solid information. This cannot be said for many boards. Drew, sorry you found the info here so biased. Bye. If you find this site so bad, I would advise you to not come back.

Dan

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Well Dan another one of those rare times we can agree

I can't add a whole lot to what you said.

Hope you change your mind Jelly-or at least you come back now and again. You have a lot to contrubute.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

I can't believe people actually say good-bye?

 

[satterfi]

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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
I can't believe people actually say good-bye?

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Does that mean you're not going for the 'group hug' and then the singing of 'Kum-Ba-Ya'.