If you were forced to use 1 motor oil for life....
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
That’s a good one ~ had Delvac 1 in my head…but my D1 stash is 5w40 and now have 3 I’m feeding 20 so 30 is a compromise
(For the sake of this game)
Of course, I have no problem with the 5w-40, but CK-4 complicated the matter.
That’s a good one ~ had Delvac 1 in my head…but my D1 stash is 5w40 and now have 3 I’m feeding 20 so 30 is a compromise
(For the sake of this game)
Of course, I have no problem with the 5w-40, but CK-4 complicated the matter.
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Man of great logic right there!
Mobil 1 0W20
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Understand … I’m just using in a 5.3 gasser … but still chuckle at my buddy buying enough gallon jugs to fill a drum ~ and telling his Ford dealer “just put this oil in” (his 2017 PSD) …
he might have tested the water on the warranty debates we see here often.
Ford needs to get a grip … I find GM to be more logical …just look how many companies accepted Dex VI ATF …
he might have tested the water on the warranty debates we see here often.
Ford needs to get a grip … I find GM to be more logical …just look how many companies accepted Dex VI ATF …
"Ford needs to get a grip … I find GM to be more logical …just look how many companies accepted Dex VI ATF …"
From a marketing standpoint, sure. One could argue that Ford's specs address the specifics of each engine better.
From a marketing standpoint, sure. One could argue that Ford's specs address the specifics of each engine better.
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Ford puts 18 ounces in a PTU that fails left and right ~ puts jack in for PM provisions ~ and says go 150k
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Ford puts 18 ounces in a PTU that fails left and right ~ puts jack in for PM provisions ~ and says go 150k
Sad to say that PTU was not one of Ford's "Better Ideas". In my OM it says the PTU dry fill is 23.7 oz, so you're not going to get all of it out during a change. Thankfully on my 2017 2.3 EB it appears to be easy enough to access. I know you had a 3.5 EB. Maybe my inline 4 cyl engine allows for easier access than your V-6 did. I had the dealer change it at ~9,000 miles, it costed $110, including labor and fluid. I read that earlier non EB engines do not have a drain plug on the PTU. Mine does and it appears relatively accessible. Possibly my 2017 might have cooling on the PTU, earlier ones didn't. I'll do more exploring to see how feasible it is for me do it myself. And yes the "it never needs service unless the warning message appears" is ludicrous. Almost as bad as the transmission fluid is good for 150,000 miles
. I did a transmission drain and fill at 12,200 miles and the fluid was very dark brown. The dealer said it was a sealed unit and the only way to change the ATF was with the ATF flush machine
. Between my family and myself we've mainly owned Ford's for 50 years, and always had good luck with them. Hopefully with maintenance I'll be able to keep this 2017 Explorer for as least as long as our 2005 Explorer with 194,000 miles and still running good.
Whimsey
Ford puts 18 ounces in a PTU that fails left and right ~ puts jack in for PM provisions ~ and says go 150k
Sad to say that PTU was not one of Ford's "Better Ideas". In my OM it says the PTU dry fill is 23.7 oz, so you're not going to get all of it out during a change. Thankfully on my 2017 2.3 EB it appears to be easy enough to access. I know you had a 3.5 EB. Maybe my inline 4 cyl engine allows for easier access than your V-6 did. I had the dealer change it at ~9,000 miles, it costed $110, including labor and fluid. I read that earlier non EB engines do not have a drain plug on the PTU. Mine does and it appears relatively accessible. Possibly my 2017 might have cooling on the PTU, earlier ones didn't. I'll do more exploring to see how feasible it is for me do it myself. And yes the "it never needs service unless the warning message appears" is ludicrous. Almost as bad as the transmission fluid is good for 150,000 miles
Whimsey
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We liked that CUV … but worried it would not grow old gracefully … and PTU I could not service was one of several issues … RE another post … yes, it had the CO in cabin issue and no recall ... just a few miles past warranty the HVAC lost refrigerant ... etc
(Battery gone 3 miles past warranty too)
Glad to hear you hold more fluid against less power ... and a human can actually get a wrench on it (tried 4 types) ...
It still did not have a fill plug … and gurgling gear oil down tiny air tubing is just retarded (watch the LEO unit video)
(Battery gone 3 miles past warranty too)
Glad to hear you hold more fluid against less power ... and a human can actually get a wrench on it (tried 4 types) ...
It still did not have a fill plug … and gurgling gear oil down tiny air tubing is just retarded (watch the LEO unit video)
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
We liked that CUV … but worried it would not grow old gracefully … and PTU I could not service was one of several issues … RE another post … yes, it had the CO in cabin issue and no recall ... just a few miles past warranty the HVAC lost refrigerant ... etc
(Battery gone 3 miles past warranty too)
Glad to hear you hold more fluid against less power ... and a human can actually get a wrench on it (tried 4 types) ...
It still did not have a fill plug … and gurgling gear oil down tiny air tubing is just retarded (watch the LEO unit video)
Wow! I can understand your concerns about the longevity of your Explorer and the desire to replace it before it costed you a fortune. Hopefully our 2.3 EB Explorer has some of the "kinks" worked out of it and will be more reliable, specially for the $40,000+ it costed
. The Tahoe is a real nice vehicle, best of luck with it.
Whimsey
We liked that CUV … but worried it would not grow old gracefully … and PTU I could not service was one of several issues … RE another post … yes, it had the CO in cabin issue and no recall ... just a few miles past warranty the HVAC lost refrigerant ... etc
(Battery gone 3 miles past warranty too)
Glad to hear you hold more fluid against less power ... and a human can actually get a wrench on it (tried 4 types) ...
It still did not have a fill plug … and gurgling gear oil down tiny air tubing is just retarded (watch the LEO unit video)
Wow! I can understand your concerns about the longevity of your Explorer and the desire to replace it before it costed you a fortune. Hopefully our 2.3 EB Explorer has some of the "kinks" worked out of it and will be more reliable, specially for the $40,000+ it costed
Whimsey
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They are both nice … thanks!
Having driven over 2M km's (1.25M miles) for work in some of the hottest temperatures, coldest temperatures, extended idling, and terrible traffic and all of my engines lasting for well past the junk points of most people with 0 noticeable oil consumption / leaks I would stand behind Amsoil.
(My Santa Fe went 300K Miles (500,000km's) before a camshaft broke and the valves slammed into the piston, or it would still be on the road using no oil taking me around)
I continually get superb UOA's from Amsoil products in my engines even after extended change intervals following the OLM. It also is about the same cost as M1 here with my preferred customer and purchasing points discounts offered by Amsoil.
Just my real world
(My Santa Fe went 300K Miles (500,000km's) before a camshaft broke and the valves slammed into the piston, or it would still be on the road using no oil taking me around)
I continually get superb UOA's from Amsoil products in my engines even after extended change intervals following the OLM. It also is about the same cost as M1 here with my preferred customer and purchasing points discounts offered by Amsoil.
Just my real world
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I once was a long time user of PP until I wanted to run PUP with no luck of finding it in my area. I converted over to M1 AnnualProtection.
PP loses the new oil change feeling in my car after one to two hundred miles. M1AP performs better in my car after a few hundred miles.
PP loses the new oil change feeling in my car after one to two hundred miles. M1AP performs better in my car after a few hundred miles.
Pennzoil Platinum for this guy too
See my sig.
Mobil 1. It's readily available at nearly every store so if I need to pick up a quart, I can.
Amsoil
Hard to say at this point. Next oil change I'm going to give M1 0W40 a shot in my van, and get another UOA. The problem is the van isn't due for an oil change for quite a while. It will either be PU exclusively, or PU and M1 0W40. I won't lock myself into anything for life.
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