If HPL was NOT a sponsor here then how would it truly compare to other boutique oils like redline and Amsoil? What makes HPL different and special?

[pbm]

Oh yes, WBV, that was big too, and red bottle Maxlife had a pretty big following as well. How funny those products in the convention form no longer even exist.

What is 'WBV'?

I was impressed with PYB when the NOACK was at 6...we assumed they were using up excess GTL base stock.

 

[Astro14]

That is one thing I’ve seen different, though. HPL has said their oils are not for everyone, and they’re fine with things being that way. There have also been the cautionary comments like “if you’re a follow-the-OLM or change your oil at XXX miles regardless of oil condition” that you will certainly not be cost-effective using HPL compared to any shelf-stock oil.

If anything, I would say that HPL has actually discouraged (via the “hey, as long as you understand this doesn’t make much sense”) more potential customers from using their oils than any other brand oil I’ve ever seen here. If you want to buy HPL, great; but if your use case presents something Dave feels will likely not encourage you to continue buying his products, he doesn’t lie or stretch the truth like every true marketer does.

There’s a difference between supplying the best dang product available and making enough to support the business; it’s complete anathema to the typical business model that tries to supply a “good enough” product that generates enough money to keep the shareholders happy.

This.

Name one other oil company executive who has praised, or recommended, their competitor‘s products, like this:

Post in thread 'Best Value Synthetic Motor Oil'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/best-value-synthetic-motor-oil.358672/post-6209107

For most people, that Mobil 1 FS 0W40 is great. And a good value. The owner of HPL said so.

There is no other example during any one of these previously mentioned fads, having the executive of the company in question, making a recommendation like that.

That transparency, that honesty, is part of what makes @High Performance Lubricants different.

 

[gfh77665]

What is 'WBV'?

I was impressed with PYB when the NOACK was at 6...we assumed they were using up excess GTL base stock.

White Bottle Valvoline.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

What is 'WBV'?

I was impressed with PYB when the NOACK was at 6...we assumed they were using up excess GTL base stock.

White Bottle Vavloline, but I really I typed that wrong, it's actually "VWB".

What's weird with the Pennzoil NOACK is that even their GTL oils now don't have as good of NOACK. Wonder if that was actually a mistake or something back then.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

What's weird with the Pennzoil NOACK is that even their GTL oils now don't have as good of NOACK. Wonder if that was actually a mistake or something back then.

It’s probably more among the lines of: make a new, super product to grab peoples’ attention, and then once you’ve got them hooked, dial it back a few notches to “it’s still good enough most of them won’t bother to switch but will really make our bottom line look great.”

 

[Zee09]

Almost every oil discussion ends at that place. Other people worried about where and how you spend your money.

I think that's called jealousy....

 

[Bill7]

HPL is a great company with brilliant chemists where they are using optimal and generous amounts of PAO and AN + Esters.
My only concern is the lack of oil certifications / approvals.

One can easily argue that HPL oil is so far superior to any other oil that it would easily pass all the approvals if it were ever tested. But it is nice to use oils that already have the approvals like the GM Dexos 1 Gen 3 approval.

 

[Astro14]

Look, if you’re changing the oil on your commuter car every 5,000 miles, as many do, then spending the extra on HPL makes no sense. That’s not the customer for whom they’re making the oil.

 

[gfh77665]

My only concern is "what long term difference does it really make?" as far as vehicle longevity is concerned.

 

[#18FAN]

My only concern is "what long term difference does it really make?" as far as vehicle longevity is concerned.

Again that’s a choice for you to make.

 

[#18FAN]

Look, if you’re changing the oil on your commuter car every 5,000 miles, as many do, then spending the extra on HPL makes no sense. That’s not the customer for whom they’re making the oil.

I disagree

 

[RazorsEdge]

Look, if you’re changing the oil on your commuter car every 5,000 miles, as many do, then spending the extra on HPL makes no sense. That’s not the customer for whom they’re making the oil.

I guess that's your view but I disagree as well.

 

[Astro14]

I guess that's your view but I disagree as well.

So, draining that oil every 5,000 miles makes sense to you?

 

[grammatoncleric]

You’re not the first to ask this question. Give this thread a read:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/so-what-is-the-deal-with-hpl-oil.367630/

Thanks!!!!

Edit: aww crap I can no longer edit the body of my question to include the link the the former thread. Moderator if possible could you be so kind to include the link to my main post above? Much obliged.
Just to be clear I am not here to critique or cause trouble. The question crossed my mind when looking at their new offerings and I was itching to press pay but I held back until I get financially stable. (logic before desire)

 

[RazorsEdge]

So, draining that oil every 5,000 miles makes sense to you?

For myself,it's 5000 to 5500 miles because of a turbo and direct injection engine that is notorious for high contamination of the oil,and also has a history of coolant intrusion in the Ford 1.6 Ecoboost.

I also chose to use HPL for it's cleaning abilities and low volatility.

 

[DirectRejection]

That's fair, but in a thread asking what makes HPL better or different, wouldn't the next logical question be something like:

"How are the base stocks and/or additives better?"

As reported on BITOG, HPL elects to use expensive base stocks which are industry wide accepted as producing the best results. Others do not invest in these base stocks.

"What is the basis for saying their oils perform better and last longer?"

I have posted stellar successive, incrimental HPL UOAs, totalling 120k miles of driving, on the most viscosity challenged of oils. Thus a window is started to be provided, indicating that HPL oil is top stuff and not at all overhyped. Further field study testing is pending. It's a brave new world in motor oil.

I don't know if any of those statements are true, nor do I have any particular reason to believe they aren't. I do know they're more relevant to the thread than a facility tour.

You--everyone--was cordially invited to "a facility tour" also known as HPL Open House #1. As someone who attended, we were given an outline of procedures and shown one of a kind equipment, that makes the commitment to quality control, as one aspect, abundantly clear.

[Counterpoints in bold]

 

[#18FAN]

So, draining that oil every 5,000 miles makes sense to you?

Again that’s for me to determine.

 

[gfh77665]

Again that’s a choice for you to make.

Its not a choice. Its a question.

 

[grammatoncleric]

You noted "Not Financially stable yet" and if you own a generic ride any off the shelf oil your manual suggest would be good enough. Nothing on any oil maker but in your case HPL isn't a need you should be worried about.
Not saying you shouldn't go for it but most likely many other oils would suffice.

Wife is at 3k miles now. She does about 300 miles per week. So when it hits 5k I am planning on changing it. If it I get financially stable (find a job) when 5k hits then I will get HPL oils since I would like to also clean the piston rings on my wife's Volvo if I can if I don't get financially stable then I will get Penzoil Ultra Synch.

So sitting around I was reading all the oil reviews and the question popped into my head regarding which oil would do the job and how is HPL different from the other boutiques. Since in the end the prices across the board are comparable.

 

[#18FAN]

Its not a choice. Its a question.

It's a question on how and what I spend my money on that's my determination how I spend my money.