i3 Neue Klasse selling out?

[JeffKeryk]

I find it ridiculous talking about FSD. It is software, that will Chinese crack it in no time. The difference in EV’s are going to come to suspension and interior. Everyone will have FSD or whatever.
However, suspension will stay mechanical and interior quality won’t be possible to write as software.
That is why Chinese are threat to majority of automakers, including Tesla.
BMW always knew how to make suspension. In the end, Tesla and most manufacturers who pay attention on performance, copy BMW rear suspension from E39. So they will have their market, as well as MB (not sure about Audi). But rest have work cut for themselves.

You brought it up. I was simply responding to your post.

 

[edyvw]

I never said Tesla had a problem with those companies. Quite the opposite; Tesla has been taking market share from them for years. However, the market is changing, as Mercedes and BMW are ramping competitive electric vehicles. The i3 is one such a example.

China is the biggest car market. Who has a bigger problem in China, BMW, Tesla, Mercedes?
BMW and Mercedes face a deeper and more structural crisis in China than Tesla. They both saw sales in China drop roughly 30% year-over-year in recent quarters, forcing profit warnings and core margin cuts down to as low as 1%.

That's not what I think; that's the numbers that come from their quarterly reports.

Forget Chinese market. On Chinese market the winners are those that CCP decides.
I was in Berlin few weeks back and saw 1 Tesla. Rest are some Euro EV, but mostly Chinese. That is where the problem is.

 

[edyvw]

You brought it up. I was simply responding to your post.

I didn’t actually brought up FSD. It was mentioned by other member as some kind of feature.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I didn’t actually brought up FSD. It was mentioned by other member as some kind of feature.

The I3 will have BMW's ADAS, known for highly automated driving capabilities, and cutting edge Neue Klasse computer platform.
The Neue Klasse platform was designed to handle sophisticated hands-free driving. It can process so much more data and far faster than just the human driver.

I only wonder what these cars will cost? Loan a poor boy some scratch?

 

[edyvw]

The I3 will have BMW's ADAS, known for highly automated driving capabilities, and cutting edge Neue Klasse computer platform.
The Neue Klasse platform was designed to handle sophisticated hands-free driving. It can process so much more data and far faster than just the human driver.

I only wonder what these cars will cost? Loan a poor boy some scratch?

That is OK, but that is not what defines a vehicle, especially to those that BMW goes after. FSD is not going to keep Tesla in the game, nor will ADAS or whatever.

. It can process so much more data and far faster than just the human driver.

So, your food is delivered, your car drives you, AI will take your job, and......
I find that pushing FSD, etc., is usually coming from these engineers who have a really hard time being among, well, other people.

 

[Legs4Arms]

That is OK, but that is not what defines a vehicle, especially to those that BMW goes after. FSD is not going to keep Tesla in the game, nor will ADAS or whatever.

So, your food is delivered, your car drives you, AI will take your job, and......
I find that pushing FSD, etc., is usually coming from these engineers who have a really hard time being among, well, other people.

There's gonna be those that like being whisked around in a plastic egg-shaped capsule that does 0-60 in 2.6 that think they're the second coming.
There will be more that feel this way.
It's understandable.
It's the future and I get it.
I'll ask you this...would you pay to go watch an F1 race that featured a full field of EV cars?
I wouldn't. Not for free.
And therin lies the conundrum. Technology allows cars to be heavier yet faster, handle better, brake better. The engine development between opposing teams will be all but moot.
I'll get into an EV when I'm forced to and won't complain.
But at that point the passion that fed the driver in me will have been sucked dry.
The plastic orb I crawl into everyday will be nothing more than a vessel to get from A to B.
How do Cars & Coffee's go from here? Guys talking about battery longevity and brighter headlights?
Saddens me to the core

 

[Torrid]

There's gonna be those that like being whisked around in a plastic egg-shaped capsule that does 0-60 in 2.6 that think they're the second coming.
There will be more that feel this way.
It's understandable.
It's the future and I get it.
I'll ask you this...would you pay to go watch an F1 race that featured a full field of EV cars?
I wouldn't. Not for free.
And therin lies the conundrum. Technology allows cars to be heavier yet faster, handle better, brake better. The engine development between opposing teams will be all but moot.
I'll get into an EV when I'm forced to and won't complain.
But at that point the passion that fed the driver in me will have been sucked dry.
The plastic orb I crawl into everyday will be nothing more than a vessel to get from A to B.
How do Cars & Coffee's go from here? Guys talking about battery longevity and brighter headlights?
Saddens me to the core

Quite the apocalyptic view of it that you have. Have you driven a good, fast EV that actually has great dynamics and the ability to cut traction control and actually feel the chassis? Just because it is an EV and has the ability of drive itself doesn't mean that it's devoid of the things that actually make driving fun. I've had some absolutely nuts modified cars and my Model Y Performance is up there with most of them. Sure it doesn't get as wild as my GTO by having that sound, but in drift mode it is just as much as a sideways tire smoking monster, yet it is able to drive itself when I just want to eat up miles on a long trip. There are times that I miss my GTO, but at the time I had it as a daily I would never have thought anything could hold a candle to it for comfort and fun when I wanted to push it.

It's like the second FSD is mentioned some people think you're giving everything else up. The car has staggered tires and 275 section width rears and can turn them into smoke with the press of a pedal. It just does everything to the point that I didn't know what was possible of a daily driver before owning it.

 

[Legs4Arms]

Quite the apocalyptic view of it that you have. Have you driven a good, fast EV that actually has great dynamics and the ability to cut traction control and actually feel the chassis? Just because it is an EV and has the ability of drive itself doesn't mean that it's devoid of the things that actually make driving fun. I've had some absolutely nuts modified cars and my Model Y Performance is up there with most of them. Sure it doesn't get as wild as my GTO by having that sound, but in drift mode it is just as much as a sideways tire smoking monster, yet it is able to drive itself when I just want to eat up miles on a long trip. There are times that I miss my GTO, but at the time I had it as a daily I would never have thought anything could hold a candle to it for comfort and fun when I wanted to push it.

It's like the second FSD is mentioned some people think you're giving everything else up. The car has staggered tires and 275 section width rears and can turn them into smoke with the press of a pedal. It just does everything to the point that I didn't know what was possible of a daily driver before owning it.

Nice stable man
I think it's more that engines have personalities and make their own unique noises. The sounds are key, and for me like music.
I get up early to go for drives when most people are just waking up. I have for years and it's at the top of my list of pleasures.
I've been in an S Plaid and there's no denying the craziness, it's nutz no question and I'm glad I experienced it.
It'll never replace the number of ICE cars I hold dear though. And one's I hope to own in the future.
I'm pretty old so there's that.

 

[Torrid]

Nice stable man
I think it's more that engines have personalities.
I get up early to go for drives when most people are just waking up. I have for years and it's at the top of my list of pleasures.
I've been in an S Plaid and there's no denying the craziness, it's nutz no question and I'm glad I experienced it.
It'll never replace the number of ICE cars I hold dear though. And one's I hope to own in the future.
I'm pretty old so there's that.

I totally understand that. I'm not leaving gasoline powered vehicles behind. I'm just adding something new to the stable. I've always been the person that said I had the last of the best as technology changed. This GTO is the last of the throttle cable cars and they went to drive by wire on the next model. The funny thing is when the traction control kicks in, the pedal literally kicks back. I said the same of my last F150. It was a 2017 5.0 V8 and I said that since it was the last of the non stop/start 5.0s that it was the best variation of the model. At some point I decided to actually look at the future of the automobile with an open mind. There are a lot of boring, restrained EVs. I'm glad that as this has happened that some companies have found a way to have fun even with EVs. No matter what they're powered by, I'll be a tire smoking hooligan that loves driving. I've just really widened my horizons on the matter in the last few years.

While I've always liked the idea of an EV from a technological standpoint, I would have never thought I'd actually own one. Now I would think I wouldn't daily drive anything else. Weekend toys are another matter.

 

[Legs4Arms]

I totally understand that. I'm not leaving gasoline powered vehicles behind. I'm just adding something new to the stable. I've always been the person that said I had the last of the best as technology changed. This GTO is the last of the throttle cable cars and they went to drive by wire on the next model. The funny thing is when the traction control kicks in, the pedal literally kicks back. I said the same of my last F150. It was a 2017 5.0 V8 and I said that since it was the last of the non stop/start 5.0s that it was the best variation of the model. At some point I decided to actually look at the future of the automobile with an open mind. There are a lot of boring, restrained EVs. I'm glad that as this has happened that some companies have found a way to have fun even with EVs. No matter what they're powered by, I'll be a tire smoking hooligan that loves driving. I've just really widened my horizons on the matter in the last few years.

While I've always liked the idea of an EV from a technological standpoint, I would have never thought I'd actually own one. Now I would think I wouldn't daily drive anything else. Weekend toys are another matter.

Tesla is obviously doing something right, the long-term ownership reviews are very positive.
I hope your user case goes just as well